Bosie, It Seems To Me.......

Jim Wahl · 05-12-2007, 02:21 AM

Maybe I'm crazy but it seems to me that Bosie is altitude factored a tad too slow. Like about two tenths to be exact. In Stock and SS Two cars are more than -1.40 under and the top 7 are more than -1.30 under. When was the last time you saw that at a non-factored track? Now if they are going to let Charlie Smith set the B/SA record at a factored 10.14 @ -1.41 under then he shoud be given a present next Tuesday from NHRA. Either factor these altitude tracks closer to real world performance or don't alow records! I don't think anybody will be resetting this record at a non-corrected track until its time is up. This is crazy!

Oh yeah and Don Little set the GT/FA record at a factored 9.65, That's .12 below the current record.

Jim Wahl
6 Time National record Holder
2239 BF/S
I miss Buster Couch also! 'cause Div.2 will always be "Buster's Rebels"

05-12-2007, 03:06 AM

I guess if you want to get rid of altitude adjustments (or revise them), NHRA should also limit boost pressures to that prescribed to factory specifications since boost will alter the atmospheric conditions seen by the engine. Would that be a fair assesment?

From what I've heard, Boise isn't anywere close to "mineshaft" conditions this year. The current #1 qualifier is Don Little. He holds the National record @ 9.97 in SS/JA and I've seen him run similar times at sea level tracks. Here's his adjusted times after 3 rounds of qualifying:

624 GT/FA Don Little, Westley CA, '70 Challenger 10.025 11.47 -1.445

Looks like they may have Don incorrectly listed under SS/FA when he should be in SS/JA if still running his 383. SS/FA would normally be a 440-6 in a Challenger.

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Jim Wahl · 05-12-2007, 03:24 AM

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"Speaking of correction factors, NHRA should limit boost pressures to that prescribed to factory specifications"

Yeah, that would be a hard thing to monitor wouldn't ya think? You would have to have an NHRA tech guy ridding in the seat next to ya with a official NHRA calibrated boost guage. And where would you have him check it? At the turbo? Or the waste gate? Or the manifold? Or use my guage? Yeah that's it, he can watch my guage.

"My reports indicate Boise isn't anywere close to "mineshaft" conditions this year"

Yep and that makes the situation even more rediculous!
Jim

Jim Wahl
6 Time National record Holder
2239 BF/S
I miss Buster Couch also! 'cause Div.2 will always be "Buster's Rebels"

Jim Wahl · 05-12-2007, 03:32 AM

Hey! you threw me a curve Jeff! No fair rewritting your post while I was answering it!

Maybe I'm a little touchy on the altitude thing 'cause I'm driving the ONLY S or SS car ever to be factored because of a run at an altitude corrected track! You probably remember that little incident Jeff. That deal cost my combo 6 hp and still haunts me and everybody else who runs it to this day!

Jim Wahl
6 Time National record Holder
2239 BF/S
I miss Buster Couch also! 'cause Div.2 will always be "Buster's Rebels"

JRyan · 05-12-2007, 09:27 AM

Not so Jim. You AREN'T the only Stock/SS car to be factored at an altitude track. Both Neil Smedley (with the Turbo Firebird) and our Oldsmobile (with Kandra driving) were factored at the 2001 Las Vegas National Race.

At one time I was told that 1.40 under would deserve a factor no matter where it took place; altitude track or not. I don't know if that still holds true.

Jerry

Jim Wahl · 05-12-2007, 02:51 PM

Sorry Jerry, you are absolutely correct! In answer to your last question....I guess not!

Jim Wahl
6 Time National record Holder
2239 BF/S
I miss Buster Couch also! 'cause Div.2 will always be "Buster's Rebels"

RPinoski1 · 05-12-2007, 11:20 PM

According to the AHFS on NHRA's web page< any run of 1.40 or more gets a present at any race natl div or Nat open. Or does the run have to be faster than 1.40 when corrected?

BOB MULRY CAN YOU EXPLAIN???????????

05-13-2007, 12:35 AM

Well don't try to get everybody else factored just 'cause NHRA pissed in your corn flakes!!!

SCCA , F1, IRL and all the other racing venues keep tabs on boost....oh, never mind!

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Mark Yacavone · 05-13-2007, 03:16 AM

Rich, Yes, the run has to be 1.40 under the sea level index.

Mark Yacavone
Blue Streak Promotions

Jim Wahl · 05-13-2007, 10:09 AM

Jeff, I think you completely misunderstood my point. I don't want to get anybody refactored, especially fellow Mopar racers, but what's fair is fair. If you can set the record at a factored track then you should be able to be factored also. It is pretty obvious that the correction tables are flawed, reference to our previous posts. That is my point, that's all, no sinister ulterior motives.Jim

Jim Wahl
6 Time National record Holder
2239 BF/S
I miss Buster Couch also! 'cause Div.2 will always be "Buster's Rebels"

05-12-2007, 03:24 AM	#3
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 666 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Speaking of correction factors, NHRA should limit boost pressures to that prescribed to factory specifications" Yeah, that would be a hard thing to monitor wouldn't ya think? You would have to have an NHRA tech guy ridding in the seat next to ya with a official NHRA calibrated boost guage. And where would you have him check it? At the turbo? Or the waste gate? Or the manifold? Or use my guage? Yeah that's it, he can watch my guage. "My reports indicate Boise isn't anywere close to "mineshaft" conditions this year" Yep and that makes the situation even more rediculous! Jim Jim Wahl 6 Time National record Holder 2239 BF/S I miss Buster Couch also! 'cause Div.2 will always be "Buster's Rebels" __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

05-12-2007, 03:32 AM	#4
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 666 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Hey! you threw me a curve Jeff! No fair rewritting your post while I was answering it! Maybe I'm a little touchy on the altitude thing 'cause I'm driving the ONLY S or SS car ever to be factored because of a run at an altitude corrected track! You probably remember that little incident Jeff. That deal cost my combo 6 hp and still haunts me and everybody else who runs it to this day! Jim Wahl 6 Time National record Holder 2239 BF/S I miss Buster Couch also! 'cause Div.2 will always be "Buster's Rebels" __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

05-12-2007, 02:51 PM	#6
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 666 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Sorry Jerry, you are absolutely correct! In answer to your last question....I guess not! Jim Wahl 6 Time National record Holder 2239 BF/S I miss Buster Couch also! 'cause Div.2 will always be "Buster's Rebels" __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

05-13-2007, 03:16 AM	#9
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,815 Likes: 2,903 Liked 5,120 Times in 1,951 Posts	Rich, Yes, the run has to be 1.40 under the sea level index. Mark Yacavone Blue Streak Promotions __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

05-13-2007, 10:09 AM	#10
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 666 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Jeff, I think you completely misunderstood my point. I don't want to get anybody refactored, especially fellow Mopar racers, but what's fair is fair. If you can set the record at a factored track then you should be able to be factored also. It is pretty obvious that the correction tables are flawed, reference to our previous posts. That is my point, that's all, no sinister ulterior motives.Jim Jim Wahl 6 Time National record Holder 2239 BF/S I miss Buster Couch also! 'cause Div.2 will always be "Buster's Rebels" __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

05-12-2007, 02:21 AM	#1
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 666 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Bosie, It Seems To Me....... Maybe I'm crazy but it seems to me that Bosie is altitude factored a tad too slow. Like about two tenths to be exact. In Stock and SS Two cars are more than -1.40 under and the top 7 are more than -1.30 under. When was the last time you saw that at a non-factored track? Now if they are going to let Charlie Smith set the B/SA record at a factored 10.14 @ -1.41 under then he shoud be given a present next Tuesday from NHRA. Either factor these altitude tracks closer to real world performance or don't alow records! I don't think anybody will be resetting this record at a non-corrected track until its time is up. This is crazy! Oh yeah and Don Little set the GT/FA record at a factored 9.65, That's .12 below the current record. Jim Wahl 6 Time National record Holder 2239 BF/S I miss Buster Couch also! 'cause Div.2 will always be "Buster's Rebels" __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

05-12-2007, 03:06 AM	#2
Jeff Lee Guest Posts: n/a	I guess if you want to get rid of altitude adjustments (or revise them), NHRA should also limit boost pressures to that prescribed to factory specifications since boost will alter the atmospheric conditions seen by the engine. Would that be a fair assesment? From what I've heard, Boise isn't anywere close to "mineshaft" conditions this year. The current #1 qualifier is Don Little. He holds the National record @ 9.97 in SS/JA and I've seen him run similar times at sea level tracks. Here's his adjusted times after 3 rounds of qualifying: 624 GT/FA Don Little, Westley CA, '70 Challenger 10.025 11.47 -1.445 Looks like they may have Don incorrectly listed under SS/FA when he should be in SS/JA if still running his 383. SS/FA would normally be a 440-6 in a Challenger. NHRA #7494 SS/H 1970 AMC AMX "Best Appearing" @ NHRA '06 Pacific Sports Nationals JeffLeeAzRealty@Qwest.net 602-418-9797

05-12-2007, 09:27 AM	#5
JRyan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aberdeen SD Posts: 645 Likes: 30 Liked 112 Times in 31 Posts	Not so Jim. You AREN'T the only Stock/SS car to be factored at an altitude track. Both Neil Smedley (with the Turbo Firebird) and our Oldsmobile (with Kandra driving) were factored at the 2001 Las Vegas National Race. At one time I was told that 1.40 under would deserve a factor no matter where it took place; altitude track or not. I don't know if that still holds true. Jerry

05-12-2007, 11:20 PM	#7
RPinoski1 Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PLACERVILLE, CA Posts: 182 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	According to the AHFS on NHRA's web page< any run of 1.40 or more gets a present at any race natl div or Nat open. Or does the run have to be faster than 1.40 when corrected? BOB MULRY CAN YOU EXPLAIN??????????? __________________ "I've never seen a Hearse with a Luggage Rack, You Can't Take it With You" Mike Ness

05-13-2007, 12:35 AM	#8
Jeff Lee Guest Posts: n/a	Well don't try to get everybody else factored just 'cause NHRA pissed in your corn flakes!!! SCCA , F1, IRL and all the other racing venues keep tabs on boost....oh, never mind! NHRA #7494 SS/H 1970 AMC AMX "Best Appearing" @ NHRA '06 Pacific Sports Nationals JeffLeeAzRealty@Qwest.net 602-418-9797