NO-BREAKOUT INDEX RACING

Pat Joffrion · 04-25-2007, 09:48 AM

Now that I have the data from the Cajun SportsNationals, I have proposed to NHRA that we hold a different format for next year's Cajun's, and I would like some input from the stock & super stock racers.

My proposal is this:
Thursday - Test-N-Tune only

Friday - Time trials, then Run Class Eliminations (SS/AH class on Saturday)

Saturday - Non-Class winners get 1 time trial ... Run no-breakout index race for class winners in front of 5,000 fans. Randomly pair stock vs. stock and S/Stock vs. S/Stock until 16 or less total remaining drivers in both categories. Use minus 1.00-second CIC. Combined pairings made on a sportsman ladder based upon reaction time in round prior to ladder, with higher qualified driver having lane choice. The winner will be paired against the S-Street, S-Gas, & S-Comp Saturday winners for a 2-round race with a $5,000 winner purse. This will be a "sponsor paid purse", and there would be no additional entry fee required.

By using this format, we can make the Cajun's the only game in town where a racer gets a free shot at 5-grand before the Sunday program. The only reason that I had to host it on Thursday this year was because I needed to get a feel for the race before I could put it on the Saturday program. The CompuLink CIC system is "hard-coded" at .50 in the computer program. However, I was able to enter all of the drivers into a new category, enter their index as their dial-in for 1st round, print out a round winner sheet, and manually compute the next round dial-in for those who ran faster than 1.00 under their index (dial-in).

It took a little extra work for me to find those guys in the lanes, but overall, it was a breeze. The CARD system was as random a pairing as it could get. I will be looking for 20 sponsors to post $500 for the free Saturday races which would allow me to pay the following:
Index Race $1,000 win - $500 r/u
Super Street $1,000 win - $500 r/u
Super Gas $1,000 win - $500 r/u
Super Comp $1,000 win - $500 r/u
Shoot-out winner $4,000 extra, making his/her payout total $5,000

I realize that a footbrake guy may feel a little intimidated by the "box-boys", but I can tell you this much; In the past 5 years, our King of the Track at NPR has been a "footbrake" racer, beating the "box" racers for 5 straight years! Besides, if I won the stock/super stock race and already had a grand in my pocket, I would love to take on one of the "box boys" for a 2-round race to pick up an extra 4-grand.

Interested sponsors can e-mail me at patjoffrion@hotmail.com or reach me on my cell at (985) 665-7145. Let me hear your thoughts.

Pat

Larry Hill · 04-25-2007, 12:15 PM

In the no break race, I would sugest that if two cars in the same class race it always neens to be heads-up without a dial difference

Larry

Earle Holt · 04-25-2007, 04:56 PM

Pat,

If you're going to put on a no-breakout index race, I'll do everything that I can to make the trip from Maine. I love this format! Much better than pumping the brakes starting at the 1000' mark...it's first to the finish line! Geez, sounds like real racing to me!

Earle Holt
H/FI

john clegg · 04-25-2007, 06:20 PM

go for it.

jclegg

Bruce Fulper · 04-25-2007, 07:18 PM

Well....this sounds like Pat isn't going anywhere for at least another year?

If so, and the stars align properly, I'll be there with something. Cause this is a cool idea. Hell, might get 5 west coasters out there for this one.

I miss my tranny brake....

Pat Joffrion · 04-25-2007, 09:39 PM

Larry,

The index race would only be run by class winners from Friday. There would not be two cars in the same class on Saturday.

BTW, I would be requesting that NHRA not use the AHFS for the index race, as this would not be part of any qualifying runs for the Sunday eliminations.

Pat

Jack McCarthy · 04-26-2007, 11:08 AM

as always pat... if you're putting it on... i will be there

and ill post a few bucks again as long as you list me when you post it next year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

captain jack

david ring · 04-26-2007, 01:42 PM

this is like the old days when you had to win class to get into the eliminator. It's a great idea.

Jeremy · 04-27-2007, 03:45 PM

Since who you are paired against is so important in this kinda race. What do you think about everyone drawing a random number as you come to the lanes and let that number be your pairing on the ladder.

What ever way you decide to do it I'll be there and thanks very much for adding so much to our sport.

Thanks

Jeremy

Bob Shaw · 04-30-2007, 08:52 PM

Pat,
Since qualifying and class eliminations will be finished I would like to see stock and super stock combined first round and on a ladder based on qualifying time or class win e t. When cars are paired randomly the fastest cars can meet in the early rounds . Whenever 2 fast cars meet before the final they will both be eliminated. One loses the round and the other loses all his advantage. With random pairings it is very unlikely that the fastest car will win the race.
This is absolutely a FUN RACE and FREE and I will be there no matter what the rules are, but you asked for suggestions!
Also, will the combo winner race the super class cars on a pro tree?
Bob Shaw

04-25-2007, 09:48 AM	#1
Pat Joffrion Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bayou Country, Louisiana Posts: 163 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 2 Posts	NO-BREAKOUT INDEX RACING Now that I have the data from the Cajun SportsNationals, I have proposed to NHRA that we hold a different format for next year's Cajun's, and I would like some input from the stock & super stock racers. My proposal is this: Thursday - Test-N-Tune only Friday - Time trials, then Run Class Eliminations (SS/AH class on Saturday) Saturday - Non-Class winners get 1 time trial ... Run no-breakout index race for class winners in front of 5,000 fans. Randomly pair stock vs. stock and S/Stock vs. S/Stock until 16 or less total remaining drivers in both categories. Use minus 1.00-second CIC. Combined pairings made on a sportsman ladder based upon reaction time in round prior to ladder, with higher qualified driver having lane choice. The winner will be paired against the S-Street, S-Gas, & S-Comp Saturday winners for a 2-round race with a $5,000 winner purse. This will be a "sponsor paid purse", and there would be no additional entry fee required. By using this format, we can make the Cajun's the only game in town where a racer gets a free shot at 5-grand before the Sunday program. The only reason that I had to host it on Thursday this year was because I needed to get a feel for the race before I could put it on the Saturday program. The CompuLink CIC system is "hard-coded" at .50 in the computer program. However, I was able to enter all of the drivers into a new category, enter their index as their dial-in for 1st round, print out a round winner sheet, and manually compute the next round dial-in for those who ran faster than 1.00 under their index (dial-in). It took a little extra work for me to find those guys in the lanes, but overall, it was a breeze. The CARD system was as random a pairing as it could get. I will be looking for 20 sponsors to post $500 for the free Saturday races which would allow me to pay the following: Index Race $1,000 win - $500 r/u Super Street $1,000 win - $500 r/u Super Gas $1,000 win - $500 r/u Super Comp $1,000 win - $500 r/u Shoot-out winner $4,000 extra, making his/her payout total $5,000 I realize that a footbrake guy may feel a little intimidated by the "box-boys", but I can tell you this much; In the past 5 years, our King of the Track at NPR has been a "footbrake" racer, beating the "box" racers for 5 straight years! Besides, if I won the stock/super stock race and already had a grand in my pocket, I would love to take on one of the "box boys" for a 2-round race to pick up an extra 4-grand. Interested sponsors can e-mail me at patjoffrion@hotmail.com or reach me on my cell at (985) 665-7145. Let me hear your thoughts. Pat

04-25-2007, 12:15 PM	#2
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,633 Likes: 1,928 Liked 10,687 Times in 2,225 Posts	In the no break race, I would sugest that if two cars in the same class race it always neens to be heads-up without a dial difference Larry __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

04-25-2007, 04:56 PM	#3
Earle Holt Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 194 Likes: 1 Liked 4 Times in 1 Post	Pat, If you're going to put on a no-breakout index race, I'll do everything that I can to make the trip from Maine. I love this format! Much better than pumping the brakes starting at the 1000' mark...it's first to the finish line! Geez, sounds like real racing to me! Earle Holt H/FI __________________ Earle Holt 1055 Stock

04-26-2007, 11:08 AM	#7
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 474 Times in 117 Posts	as always pat... if you're putting it on... i will be there and ill post a few bucks again as long as you list me when you post it next year !!!!!!!!!!!!!! captain jack __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

04-30-2007, 08:52 PM	#10
Bob Shaw Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sedalia, Mo Posts: 436 Likes: 325 Liked 316 Times in 61 Posts	Pat, Since qualifying and class eliminations will be finished I would like to see stock and super stock combined first round and on a ladder based on qualifying time or class win e t. When cars are paired randomly the fastest cars can meet in the early rounds . Whenever 2 fast cars meet before the final they will both be eliminated. One loses the round and the other loses all his advantage. With random pairings it is very unlikely that the fastest car will win the race. This is absolutely a FUN RACE and FREE and I will be there no matter what the rules are, but you asked for suggestions! Also, will the combo winner race the super class cars on a pro tree? Bob Shaw __________________ Bob Shaw V/SA 515

04-25-2007, 06:20 PM	#4
john clegg Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: victoria texas Posts: 13 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 1 Post	go for it. jclegg

04-25-2007, 07:18 PM	#5
Bruce Fulper Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 651 Likes: 4 Liked 54 Times in 33 Posts	Well....this sounds like Pat isn't going anywhere for at least another year? If so, and the stars align properly, I'll be there with something. Cause this is a cool idea. Hell, might get 5 west coasters out there for this one. I miss my tranny brake....

04-25-2007, 09:39 PM	#6
Pat Joffrion Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bayou Country, Louisiana Posts: 163 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Larry, The index race would only be run by class winners from Friday. There would not be two cars in the same class on Saturday. BTW, I would be requesting that NHRA not use the AHFS for the index race, as this would not be part of any qualifying runs for the Sunday eliminations. Pat

04-26-2007, 01:42 PM	#8
david ring Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Oneonta.,NY Posts: 889 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	this is like the old days when you had to win class to get into the eliminator. It's a great idea.

04-27-2007, 03:45 PM	#9
Jeremy Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 95 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Since who you are paired against is so important in this kinda race. What do you think about everyone drawing a random number as you come to the lanes and let that number be your pairing on the ladder. What ever way you decide to do it I'll be there and thanks very much for adding so much to our sport. Thanks Jeremy