Setting valve spring heights?

Jeff Stout · 12-30-2014, 07:43 PM

When setting valve spring heights for example all springs set at 1.90. Do you set them that way or based off of difference from intake to exhaust lifts. Say 500 intake and 480 exhaust. Do you ad 20 to the install height of exhaust spring to make it even pressure wise against cam. Or is there more to it then that?

Dwight Southerland · 12-30-2014, 08:48 PM

More to it.

FED 387 · 12-30-2014, 08:50 PM

I set em straight across at 1.90 or whatever the installed height should be--FED387

Tim H · 12-30-2014, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FED 387

I set em straight across at 1.90 or whatever the installed height should be--FED387

We do also ...

Dave Noll · 12-30-2014, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FED 387

I set em straight across at 1.90 or whatever the installed height should be--FED387

Thats what I did as well

Glenn Briglio · 12-30-2014, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

More to it.

Did you check every valve spring or are you assuming they are all the same?

Paul Precht · 12-30-2014, 11:21 PM

I check each spring and put them in about 4 groups, if they're double springs I mix the weaker with the stronger. Your spring heights will usually have a variance like the springs so I mix the weaker springs with the tighter spring heights and hopefully require as few shims for correction as possible.

nolongerracing · 12-30-2014, 11:26 PM

Most spring manufactures want you to set spring heights based off of coil bind heights. Take coil bind height, add .060, and add net cam lift to get installed heights.
IE. 1.080 + .060 + .500 = 1.640. It takes a lot of searching to find the correct spring.

FED 387 · 12-31-2014, 10:37 AM

basically what paul and nolongerracing posted---You don't just take em outta the box and slap em in---try to get springs that match up as far as tension and the least amount of shims to prevent a narrower dimension for coil bind--then box them up in sets--- of course you did all this before you got to the track while you were sitting around at home....FED 387

Tom Meyer · 01-01-2015, 11:42 AM

Back when I raced I would find the 8 best springs and put then on the intakes other 8 on the exhausts, it always seamed that if I broke a exhaust spring the car never slowed down. But with todays more radical cams and close piston to valve I would maybe rethink this. Installed height is what the manufactures recommended for that spring for wide band of different cams lifts. However my thoughts are to tailor them to your application, taking into account seat pressure, cam profile, and how close you can get to coil bind, to eliminate spring harmonics. Nascar has a lift limit so there cams are set up loft the valve to get more lift. You also have to have enough pressure to keep it from floating. Spring technology has come a long way over the years and we have adapt to it. All the time spent on cutting ring gaps and setting bearing clearances should not your valve train be included in your blueprint to making the best engine you can? Wow did I just write that. Tom

12-30-2014, 07:43 PM	#1
Jeff Stout VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: phoenix Posts: 1,481 Likes: 63 Liked 701 Times in 279 Posts	Setting valve spring heights? When setting valve spring heights for example all springs set at 1.90. Do you set them that way or based off of difference from intake to exhaust lifts. Say 500 intake and 480 exhaust. Do you ad 20 to the install height of exhaust spring to make it even pressure wise against cam. Or is there more to it then that?

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Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 1,996 Likes: 63 Liked 756 Times in 189 Posts	Re: Setting valve spring heights? More to it.

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FED 387 VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,399 Likes: 482 Liked 320 Times in 172 Posts	Re: Setting valve spring heights? I set em straight across at 1.90 or whatever the installed height should be--FED387

12-30-2014, 11:21 PM	#7
Paul Precht Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Elysburg, Pa Posts: 725 Likes: 338 Liked 306 Times in 115 Posts	Re: Setting valve spring heights? I check each spring and put them in about 4 groups, if they're double springs I mix the weaker with the stronger. Your spring heights will usually have a variance like the springs so I mix the weaker springs with the tighter spring heights and hopefully require as few shims for correction as possible.

12-30-2014, 11:26 PM	#8
nolongerracing Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 173 Likes: 2 Liked 72 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Setting valve spring heights? Most spring manufactures want you to set spring heights based off of coil bind heights. Take coil bind height, add .060, and add net cam lift to get installed heights. IE. 1.080 + .060 + .500 = 1.640. It takes a lot of searching to find the correct spring.

12-31-2014, 10:37 AM	#9
FED 387 VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,399 Likes: 482 Liked 320 Times in 172 Posts	Re: Setting valve spring heights? basically what paul and nolongerracing posted---You don't just take em outta the box and slap em in---try to get springs that match up as far as tension and the least amount of shims to prevent a narrower dimension for coil bind--then box them up in sets--- of course you did all this before you got to the track while you were sitting around at home....FED 387

01-01-2015, 11:42 AM	#10
Tom Meyer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pierce NE Posts: 928 Likes: 73 Liked 350 Times in 119 Posts	Re: Setting valve spring heights? Back when I raced I would find the 8 best springs and put then on the intakes other 8 on the exhausts, it always seamed that if I broke a exhaust spring the car never slowed down. But with todays more radical cams and close piston to valve I would maybe rethink this. Installed height is what the manufactures recommended for that spring for wide band of different cams lifts. However my thoughts are to tailor them to your application, taking into account seat pressure, cam profile, and how close you can get to coil bind, to eliminate spring harmonics. Nascar has a lift limit so there cams are set up loft the valve to get more lift. You also have to have enough pressure to keep it from floating. Spring technology has come a long way over the years and we have adapt to it. All the time spent on cutting ring gaps and setting bearing clearances should not your valve train be included in your blueprint to making the best engine you can? Wow did I just write that. Tom __________________ Tom Meyer 5240 SS Stock ??? Last edited by Tom Meyer; 01-01-2015 at 11:49 AM.