Pro Stock weight

SStockDart · 11-13-2016, 01:28 AM

I know, I know this is not a stock or super stock comment.

It seems that Chevrolets dominate pro stock.......qualifying and eliminations. How about making a weight adjustment, subject to change, and give the Mopars 50 pounds and ford's 100 pounds. Change when necessary to keep it equal.

I am sure people will say..""work harder and you will go faster".....that hasn't happened. I would like to see qualifying within a hun.

Mike Schwartz · 11-13-2016, 06:17 AM

The qualifying spread at Pomona is .114. It was even better, .075 at Las Vegas. An average spread around .100 is excellent in any Pro category. Not even Super categories can qualify 16 cars within .01

Weight breaks haven't been used in NHRA Pro Stock in 34 years, but that hasn't prevented Fords and Mopars from winning races and championships in the meantime.

jmcarter · 11-13-2016, 07:02 AM

Have to admit it's been a surprise that the Elite bunch couldn't get the Darts competitive. No telling what the Johnsons could have done with Mopar backing but that's another story. IMHO weight adjustments by NHRA would be a joke...the cream would rise to the top just like in PSM.

cutta · 11-13-2016, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SStockDart

I know, I know this is not a stock or super stock comment.

It seems that Chevrolets dominate pro stock.......qualifying and eliminations. How about making a weight adjustment, subject to change, and give the Mopars 50 pounds and ford's 100 pounds. Change when necessary to keep it equal.

I am sure people will say..""work harder and you will go faster".....that hasn't happened. I would like to see qualifying within a hun.

Molar and Ford will suffer most from having a limited knowledge base. There's just less people to learn or get information from. And that's from the dyno room to the racetrack. Those motors differ in enough aspects such that they want something different and it doesn't quite translate between brands. I'm comparison to gm, there's such a vast knowledge base to gain knowledge from especially if your a newcomer. I blame no one for choosing gm, it's your best opportunity for success. Lots of well funded people have tried to be competitive with Ford or mopar(mostly due to brand funding) but rarely do you get individuals who sustain those efforts when they're not immediately competitive. Obviously people have to make a living but as a mopar fan, it's sad to see mopar numbers continue to dwindle and Allen and Roy are a stone's throw from retirement. Hopefully Alex Prusiensky stays with it for a while. V retired, Kramer and Elite , looks to be switching, so it's disappointing. My opinion of course

1320racer · 11-13-2016, 08:57 AM

Pro Stock is dead and the NHRA is going to pull the plug on it as we currently know it within 5 years.

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Originally Posted by cutta

Hopefully Alex Prusiensky stays with it for a while.

The engine now in Alan's car was purchased from Elite. He didn't qualify at Vegas with it and is #16 at Pomona, .023 slower than #15. He's got a long way to go and lots of $ to spend before he is competitive.

Ed Wright · 11-13-2016, 10:21 AM

MOPAR needs to get off that Hemi crap, and develope a decent cylinder head. Low air flow = low power.

Alan Roehrich · 11-13-2016, 10:43 AM

You can't fix Pro Stock.

1. Ford and Chrysler don't really want to play.

2. NHRA has no idea what they're doing.

3. You can't outlaw extreme spending.

4. The cars do not remotely resemble production street cars anymore.

5. Fans that are catered to are interested in fuel cars.

But boy, fuel injection sure did help, didn't it? And the hood scoop rule, and the parking rule, and the wheelie bar rule ........

Billy Nees · 11-13-2016, 11:01 AM

IMHO, Factory Stock = 21st Century Pro Stock! And all of the Manufacturers want to play.

Alan Roehrich · 11-13-2016, 12:12 PM

NHRA will not be bothered with Pro Stock that requires weight breaks, factors, or other adjustments.

The 500 cubic inch 2350 pound version of Pro Stock is actually the most healthy and most sustainable over time.

Some of the money can be negated by common sense rules. Take them back to a 14"x32" slick. A body template rule with reasonable scoop and spoiler limits, which will also make them look like factory cars. Modify the EFI rule and take the throttle body size down. Get rid of some exotic materials.

Factory Stock works now because it is something like the old muscle car wars, where the customers are absorbing the costs of development to a large degree ($100K per car makes it somewhat affordable to amortize it when most of what changes is just the engine). Even better, no insurance problems or government safety and emission regulations.

As soon as you take that to a professional level, the customers don't absorb so much of the cost, they expect parts, cars, and development help. Not only that, they expect new combinations to beat the factors when weight breaks and factors get involved. Not to mention NHRA then has to make the three of them happy with factors, and then you have the nightmare of factoring small engines against big engines, supercharged against normally aspirated, etc.

Carguy49 · 11-13-2016, 12:57 PM

Let Pro Stock die. There is nothing STOCK about them anymore. I lost interest many years ago, and I followed the class since it's beginning in 1970.

11-13-2016, 06:17 AM	#2
Mike Schwartz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Maryland USA Posts: 533 Likes: 129 Liked 248 Times in 89 Posts	Re: Pro Stock weight The qualifying spread at Pomona is .114. It was even better, .075 at Las Vegas. An average spread around .100 is excellent in any Pro category. Not even Super categories can qualify 16 cars within .01 Weight breaks haven't been used in NHRA Pro Stock in 34 years, but that hasn't prevented Fords and Mopars from winning races and championships in the meantime.

11-13-2016, 07:02 AM	#3
jmcarter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Richmond Hill GA (and Port Ludlow WA) Posts: 4,295 Likes: 2,378 Liked 3,174 Times in 971 Posts	Re: Pro Stock weight Have to admit it's been a surprise that the Elite bunch couldn't get the Darts competitive. No telling what the Johnsons could have done with Mopar backing but that's another story. IMHO weight adjustments by NHRA would be a joke...the cream would rise to the top just like in PSM. __________________ Jim Carter 2340 Super Stock 2340 SST/2340 Stock Set another place at the table

11-13-2016, 10:21 AM	#6
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Pro Stock weight MOPAR needs to get off that Hemi crap, and develope a decent cylinder head. Low air flow = low power. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

11-13-2016, 10:43 AM	#7
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,106 Likes: 1,564 Liked 1,789 Times in 408 Posts	Re: Pro Stock weight You can't fix Pro Stock. 1. Ford and Chrysler don't really want to play. 2. NHRA has no idea what they're doing. 3. You can't outlaw extreme spending. 4. The cars do not remotely resemble production street cars anymore. 5. Fans that are catered to are interested in fuel cars. But boy, fuel injection sure did help, didn't it? And the hood scoop rule, and the parking rule, and the wheelie bar rule ........ __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

11-13-2016, 11:01 AM	#8
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,487 Likes: 3,588 Liked 7,688 Times in 1,732 Posts	Re: Pro Stock weight IMHO, Factory Stock = 21st Century Pro Stock! And all of the Manufacturers want to play. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

11-13-2016, 01:28 AM	#1
SStockDart VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arizona, Texan forever Posts: 1,176 Likes: 879 Liked 574 Times in 212 Posts	Pro Stock weight I know, I know this is not a stock or super stock comment. It seems that Chevrolets dominate pro stock.......qualifying and eliminations. How about making a weight adjustment, subject to change, and give the Mopars 50 pounds and ford's 100 pounds. Change when necessary to keep it equal. I am sure people will say..""work harder and you will go faster".....that hasn't happened. I would like to see qualifying within a hun. __________________ Gary Hansen - SS/FA 4911, B/SA 4911

11-13-2016, 12:12 PM	#9
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,106 Likes: 1,564 Liked 1,789 Times in 408 Posts	Re: Pro Stock weight NHRA will not be bothered with Pro Stock that requires weight breaks, factors, or other adjustments. The 500 cubic inch 2350 pound version of Pro Stock is actually the most healthy and most sustainable over time. Some of the money can be negated by common sense rules. Take them back to a 14"x32" slick. A body template rule with reasonable scoop and spoiler limits, which will also make them look like factory cars. Modify the EFI rule and take the throttle body size down. Get rid of some exotic materials. Factory Stock works now because it is something like the old muscle car wars, where the customers are absorbing the costs of development to a large degree ($100K per car makes it somewhat affordable to amortize it when most of what changes is just the engine). Even better, no insurance problems or government safety and emission regulations. As soon as you take that to a professional level, the customers don't absorb so much of the cost, they expect parts, cars, and development help. Not only that, they expect new combinations to beat the factors when weight breaks and factors get involved. Not to mention NHRA then has to make the three of them happy with factors, and then you have the nightmare of factoring small engines against big engines, supercharged against normally aspirated, etc. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

11-13-2016, 12:57 PM	#10
Carguy49 VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Fife, Washington Posts: 1,977 Likes: 2,466 Liked 2,939 Times in 707 Posts	Re: Pro Stock weight Let Pro Stock die. There is nothing STOCK about them anymore. I lost interest many years ago, and I followed the class since it's beginning in 1970. __________________ Ron McDowell - Did Race Every day is a Gift - Enjoy with family and friends.