Annual Federal Mileage Charge

SDT1DYI · 08-12-2021, 09:09 AM

The recently passed Senate
Interstucture bill included funding for a pilot project "annual mileage fee program".
It seems that this annual fee for miles driven could be in addition to the current State and Federal taxes currently charged on gasoline and diesel fuel.
So on top of the 60-70 cents a gallon total we pay already, they could be adding more fees!
It seems very clear the local and Federal government officials, want you to take mass transit, walk or bike where ever you want to go.
Not everyone lives in the cities, they seem to forget that fact.
No stated per mileage amount is mentioned but if this goes thru the cost to get to the races is going up!!

Steve Teeter STK/SS 620

J.R. Haddad · 08-12-2021, 09:19 AM

I Think of lot of the racers tow vehicles have broken speedometers.
Not sure what happened.....

J.R.

Nmbr1GMfan · 08-12-2021, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad

I Think of lot of the racers tow vehicles have broken speedometers.
Not sure what happened.....

J.R.

If the government stands to lose money they will gladly implement a federal inspection that YOU will pay for to make sure your speedo is operating in their favor. However I'm sure this is them getting ahead of the influx of electrics that pay no gas tax.

lstanford · 08-12-2021, 10:09 AM

This is how the government will collect road taxes on electric vehicles. Electric vehicles don't buy fuel so they are essentially paying zero road taxes. Unfortunately, we will all be subsidizing the electric vehicle road tax.

jmcarter · 08-12-2021, 11:08 AM

Some may recall how the gas guzzler tax got phased out because it cost more to administer the program than they took in. Deja Vu all over again.
With GM and others goals of being 100% EV for light vehicles by 2035 I suppose they do have to come up with something but like all federal programs it will be inefficient and take lots of tweaking. Think they are well aware that rural residents will pay more than their fair share but that’s the same with the current gas tax. Probably a given that the gas tax will go up as well so the road to the races isn’t going to get any smoother. Reagan’s “seven most terrifying words” comes to mind.

In the interest of being open minded I’d be curious about what Washington state members think about their pilot program.

J&S Racing · 08-12-2021, 11:29 AM

Been doing it to interstate carriers for ever!!

jmcarter · 08-12-2021, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by J&S Racing

Been doing it to interstate carriers for ever!!

I’m fuzzy on ELD’s for truckers but suspect the coding hackers have workarounds and knowing that many keep refreshing running gear into their pre-ECM trucks I do wonder if the program is truly effective. I go out of my way to try and help out the truckers but sure see some struggling at times, in which case I give them lots of room. Any experienced truckers have input? Yes, I know; most drivers are completely oblivious to the fact you’re trying to navigate a large beast in a sea of idiots.

Floyd Staggs · 08-12-2021, 03:14 PM

It's just another way for the government to form another committee to choke up more of our tax dollars, create a larger government and give some of their buddies a job.

GUMP · 08-12-2021, 03:20 PM

This is scary stuff. They plan to do it while monitoring where you travel...

John Kissel · 08-13-2021, 11:27 AM

A few years ago Allstate Ins. tried this "mommy minder" gizmo that you plug into the o.b.p. port that would monitor how you drive to help you save on ins.costs.Gee, had a couple of them, but they never worked for some reason.Now, if big brother wants to read mileage off e.c.m.s don't know what to do.We get messages from Dodge about our '18 Durango while it is our steel sided pole barn.John Kissel

08-12-2021, 09:09 AM	#1
SDT1DYI Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Indianola Washington Posts: 399 Likes: 0 Liked 453 Times in 146 Posts	Annual Federal Mileage Charge The recently passed Senate Interstucture bill included funding for a pilot project "annual mileage fee program". It seems that this annual fee for miles driven could be in addition to the current State and Federal taxes currently charged on gasoline and diesel fuel. So on top of the 60-70 cents a gallon total we pay already, they could be adding more fees! It seems very clear the local and Federal government officials, want you to take mass transit, walk or bike where ever you want to go. Not everyone lives in the cities, they seem to forget that fact. No stated per mileage amount is mentioned but if this goes thru the cost to get to the races is going up!! Steve Teeter STK/SS 620

08-12-2021, 09:19 AM	#2
J.R. Haddad Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 782 Likes: 924 Liked 1,456 Times in 307 Posts	Re: Annual Federal Mileage Charge I Think of lot of the racers tow vehicles have broken speedometers. Not sure what happened..... J.R.

08-12-2021, 10:09 AM	#4
lstanford Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 312 Likes: 1 Liked 134 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Annual Federal Mileage Charge This is how the government will collect road taxes on electric vehicles. Electric vehicles don't buy fuel so they are essentially paying zero road taxes. Unfortunately, we will all be subsidizing the electric vehicle road tax.

08-12-2021, 11:08 AM	#5
jmcarter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Richmond Hill GA (and Port Ludlow WA) Posts: 4,284 Likes: 2,337 Liked 3,126 Times in 962 Posts	Re: Annual Federal Mileage Charge Some may recall how the gas guzzler tax got phased out because it cost more to administer the program than they took in. Deja Vu all over again. With GM and others goals of being 100% EV for light vehicles by 2035 I suppose they do have to come up with something but like all federal programs it will be inefficient and take lots of tweaking. Think they are well aware that rural residents will pay more than their fair share but that’s the same with the current gas tax. Probably a given that the gas tax will go up as well so the road to the races isn’t going to get any smoother. Reagan’s “seven most terrifying words” comes to mind. In the interest of being open minded I’d be curious about what Washington state members think about their pilot program. __________________ Jim Carter 2340 Super Stock 2340 SST/2340 Stock Set another place at the table

08-12-2021, 11:29 AM	#6
J&S Racing Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 283 Likes: 102 Liked 319 Times in 82 Posts	Re: Annual Federal Mileage Charge Been doing it to interstate carriers for ever!!

08-12-2021, 03:14 PM	#8
Floyd Staggs VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cucamonga, CA Posts: 1,521 Likes: 138 Liked 223 Times in 98 Posts	Re: Annual Federal Mileage Charge It's just another way for the government to form another committee to choke up more of our tax dollars, create a larger government and give some of their buddies a job. __________________ Floyd Staggs 787 SST

08-12-2021, 03:20 PM	#9
GUMP VIP Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Shelby, NC Posts: 1,816 Likes: 2,139 Liked 2,318 Times in 545 Posts	Re: Annual Federal Mileage Charge This is scary stuff. They plan to do it while monitoring where you travel...

08-13-2021, 11:27 AM	#10
John Kissel Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Colt's Neck, n.j. Posts: 349 Likes: 766 Liked 230 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Annual Federal Mileage Charge A few years ago Allstate Ins. tried this "mommy minder" gizmo that you plug into the o.b.p. port that would monitor how you drive to help you save on ins.costs.Gee, had a couple of them, but they never worked for some reason.Now, if big brother wants to read mileage off e.c.m.s don't know what to do.We get messages from Dodge about our '18 Durango while it is our steel sided pole barn.John Kissel