Ideal 2009 Camaro Stocker

Mackie Family Racing · 04-10-2008, 11:06 PM

A serious question for those of you that may be interested and/or knowledgeable about the Stocker world (which I am not) -- what would make an ideal (motor) combo for the new 2009 Camaro...? think about the current portfolio of recent motors that GM makes, including the new LS7, and don't restrict yourself to what you may have heard will be the motors available in the car...

appreciate any input

Scott Mackie
Regional General Manager
General Motors

Geerhead55 · 04-10-2008, 11:42 PM

Wow!,,,,A very good question,,,especially if your input is considered by the factory. I can't speak for everyone on here,,but I say do it like they did in 69 and make every engine and transmission combination thats available now be included in the new body coming out. My 2 cents,,,,,,,,,, Danny Durham

Jeff Lee · 04-11-2008, 12:13 AM

Scott,
Great question! Not even being a GM racer, I would have to say from a marketing perspective I would analyze the offerings of the competition. Ford/Shelby has the GT500 & GT500KR both producing 500 to nearly 550HP off the showroom floor. Dodge has the new Challenger with a 6.1L Hemi. I've seen a bone stock 6.1L Hemi produce 550 HP with only an injector change and re-curve on the fuel / timing.
GM is last out of the gate this time for the new pony car war. GM has a chance to shine with even a late arrival and I would like to see a 505HP LS7 or maybe even the CTS 550HP offering. I'm not at all familiar with the later of the two but as a racer, the LS7 makes me salivate. The engine structure offer's much more potential than the other two pony cars even when considering the supercharger of the Shelby. Place that engine between the frame-rails and the others will have their work cut out for them! I suspect the LS7 may be cost prohibitive unless on a limited basis. Think '69 COPO Camaro...
By all means, a manual trans would be required. The racer's would instantly place a G-Force or Jerico in place of the OEM trans. A dual 7" clutch such as offered by Advanced Clutch would handle the power and offer maximum acceleration. Hopefully the rear-end will have a non-IRS option with some unique way of planting the rear slicks. What about the Buick GNX rear-end & it's aluminum ladder bar type suspension as an option?
Has GM explored a competitor to the new Challenger SS 392 Hemi lite-weight package?
I think the makings are here for some heated competion and have no doubt this will turn into an increase in sales. Should be a lot of fun! Thanks for listening,
Jeff Lee

denny harvey · 04-11-2008, 04:10 PM

i work in alot of auto plants like Gm,ford bmw , mopar and other stamping plants,and i dont think gm looks as the hipo challenger as its competition,not enough to be made,however the new mustangs have the brass talking to them selves,as in the muscle car days as it is today,the mustang is the only real competition to the camaro.that is the car it has to line up to.i am no ford guy but GM and mopar only dream of the number mustang sales..ford hit it out of the park with the new mustang and i dont hear that they fear the new camaro or dodge..just my 2 cents...step it up Gm..lol...denny

Chad Rhodes · 04-11-2008, 04:21 PM

LS7 detuned to 450, if my estimate of the weight is correct

Jack Matyas · 04-11-2008, 05:14 PM

Scott -- For my money a warmed over LS2 would be plenty -- something in the area of 425 to 450 HP should do the job for most . I can't wait to get my hands on one........it will make one of the neatest looking stockers I've ever had ! ! !

PS -- Adding an LS7 or an LS9 as an option for AA/SA would be neat but very expensive to most .

Just Observing · 04-10-2008, 11:44 PM

Any of the LS family of engines would be great, but for my money a LS9 detuned (wink,wink) to say 450 hp rating would be INCREDIBLE! Make 500 availible with either a manual or auto available. You could even put a 4l80e in the autos to make it easy for stock racers to get them out in competetion faster. That way there would be no need to get a six speed auto up to competeition snuff. They could use the current available 3 speed stuff!

BTW @ 450 hp rating they would fit AA/S - AA/SA at 3525 lbs. Should be easy to get them to that weight, even with the super charger!

BlueOval Ralph · 04-11-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mackie Family Racing

A serious question for those of you that may be interested and/or knowledgeable about the Stocker world (which I am not) -- what would make an ideal (motor) combo for the new 2009 Camaro...? think about the current portfolio of recent motors that GM makes, including the new LS7, and don't restrict yourself to what you may have heard will be the motors available in the car...

appreciate any input

Scott Mackie
Regional General Manager
General Motors

Are you in the race group @ GM and part of the Camaro group???

04-13-2008, 12:56 PM

1. Cloth seats.
2. Air bag delete.
3. Manual drag race brakes.
4. Manual steering.
5. Manual windows.
6. AC and heater delete.
7. Solid rear axle.
8. Radio delete.
9. Rear seat delete.
10. Light weight hood.
11. Cheap steel wheels.
12. No sound deadener.

I would suggest sticking with the normal production motors to keep the price where racers can actually afford to buy one. On that same note how about making them available to licensed racers only? I looked into a Challenger and could not find a dealer that could get me one. I wonder how many will actually end up at NHRA/IHRA races and how many will end up in the hands of collectors?

I purchased a new Firebird Formula in 1995 for Stock. It was built with the LT1, a six speed, and AC delete. It is as stripped as you could buy a Formula in 1995 and I brought it home for $18,000.00. It has only been a race car and shows only 186 miles on the clock. If a Camaro race package is available at a reasonable price I would buy one tomorrow.

Take Care,

Daren

04-10-2008, 11:06 PM	#1
Mackie Family Racing Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Milford, MI Posts: 179 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ideal 2009 Camaro Stocker A serious question for those of you that may be interested and/or knowledgeable about the Stocker world (which I am not) -- what would make an ideal (motor) combo for the new 2009 Camaro...? think about the current portfolio of recent motors that GM makes, including the new LS7, and don't restrict yourself to what you may have heard will be the motors available in the car... appreciate any input Scott Mackie Regional General Manager General Motors

04-10-2008, 11:42 PM	#2
Geerhead55 VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tacoma, Washington Posts: 1,632 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Ideal 2009 Camaro Stocker Wow!,,,,A very good question,,,especially if your input is considered by the factory. I can't speak for everyone on here,,but I say do it like they did in 69 and make every engine and transmission combination thats available now be included in the new body coming out. My 2 cents,,,,,,,,,, Danny Durham

04-11-2008, 12:13 AM	#3
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Ideal 2009 Camaro Stocker Scott, Great question! Not even being a GM racer, I would have to say from a marketing perspective I would analyze the offerings of the competition. Ford/Shelby has the GT500 & GT500KR both producing 500 to nearly 550HP off the showroom floor. Dodge has the new Challenger with a 6.1L Hemi. I've seen a bone stock 6.1L Hemi produce 550 HP with only an injector change and re-curve on the fuel / timing. GM is last out of the gate this time for the new pony car war. GM has a chance to shine with even a late arrival and I would like to see a 505HP LS7 or maybe even the CTS 550HP offering. I'm not at all familiar with the later of the two but as a racer, the LS7 makes me salivate. The engine structure offer's much more potential than the other two pony cars even when considering the supercharger of the Shelby. Place that engine between the frame-rails and the others will have their work cut out for them! I suspect the LS7 may be cost prohibitive unless on a limited basis. Think '69 COPO Camaro... By all means, a manual trans would be required. The racer's would instantly place a G-Force or Jerico in place of the OEM trans. A dual 7" clutch such as offered by Advanced Clutch would handle the power and offer maximum acceleration. Hopefully the rear-end will have a non-IRS option with some unique way of planting the rear slicks. What about the Buick GNX rear-end & it's aluminum ladder bar type suspension as an option? Has GM explored a competitor to the new Challenger SS 392 Hemi lite-weight package? I think the makings are here for some heated competion and have no doubt this will turn into an increase in sales. Should be a lot of fun! Thanks for listening, Jeff Lee __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX Last edited by Jeff Lee; 04-11-2008 at 12:15 AM. Reason: spelling error

04-11-2008, 04:10 PM	#4
denny harvey Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: pataskala ohio Posts: 132 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Ideal 2009 Camaro Stocker i work in alot of auto plants like Gm,ford bmw , mopar and other stamping plants,and i dont think gm looks as the hipo challenger as its competition,not enough to be made,however the new mustangs have the brass talking to them selves,as in the muscle car days as it is today,the mustang is the only real competition to the camaro.that is the car it has to line up to.i am no ford guy but GM and mopar only dream of the number mustang sales..ford hit it out of the park with the new mustang and i dont hear that they fear the new camaro or dodge..just my 2 cents...step it up Gm..lol...denny

04-11-2008, 04:21 PM	#5
Chad Rhodes VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Where the Green Grass Grows, AL Posts: 2,375 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Ideal 2009 Camaro Stocker LS7 detuned to 450, if my estimate of the weight is correct __________________ Chad Rhodes 2113 I/SA

04-11-2008, 05:14 PM	#6
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,900 Likes: 401 Liked 1,847 Times in 377 Posts	Re: Ideal 2009 Camaro Stocker Scott -- For my money a warmed over LS2 would be plenty -- something in the area of 425 to 450 HP should do the job for most . I can't wait to get my hands on one........it will make one of the neatest looking stockers I've ever had ! ! ! PS -- Adding an LS7 or an LS9 as an option for AA/SA would be neat but very expensive to most . __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO

04-10-2008, 11:44 PM	#7
Just Observing Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 138 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Ideal 2009 Camaro Stocker Any of the LS family of engines would be great, but for my money a LS9 detuned (wink,wink) to say 450 hp rating would be INCREDIBLE! Make 500 availible with either a manual or auto available. You could even put a 4l80e in the autos to make it easy for stock racers to get them out in competetion faster. That way there would be no need to get a six speed auto up to competeition snuff. They could use the current available 3 speed stuff! BTW @ 450 hp rating they would fit AA/S - AA/SA at 3525 lbs. Should be easy to get them to that weight, even with the super charger!

04-13-2008, 12:56 PM	#9
gump1 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Ideal 2009 Camaro Stocker 1. Cloth seats. 2. Air bag delete. 3. Manual drag race brakes. 4. Manual steering. 5. Manual windows. 6. AC and heater delete. 7. Solid rear axle. 8. Radio delete. 9. Rear seat delete. 10. Light weight hood. 11. Cheap steel wheels. 12. No sound deadener. I would suggest sticking with the normal production motors to keep the price where racers can actually afford to buy one. On that same note how about making them available to licensed racers only? I looked into a Challenger and could not find a dealer that could get me one. I wonder how many will actually end up at NHRA/IHRA races and how many will end up in the hands of collectors? I purchased a new Firebird Formula in 1995 for Stock. It was built with the LT1, a six speed, and AC delete. It is as stripped as you could buy a Formula in 1995 and I brought it home for $18,000.00. It has only been a race car and shows only 186 miles on the clock. If a Camaro race package is available at a reasonable price I would buy one tomorrow. Take Care, Daren