Valve spring tester, running valves

Eric Merryfield · 06-19-2008, 12:05 PM

Anyone have a suggestion for a good valve spring tester? On head or off? I have a couple of new to me stockers Magnum 360 Dakota, 383 challenger, and I don't want to be changing the springs when I start to hear popping...too late, and running valves with unknown springs might be a exercise in futility.

Jeff Lee · 06-19-2008, 01:47 PM

I just used an LSM for the first time. Now I have it on my Christmas list. I was told it is as accurate as a bench-top Remac (sp?). The one I used gave a 20+ pound different reading than the standard Moroso tester (the Moroso read light). Well worth the $$ IMO.

Mike Pearson · 06-19-2008, 03:10 PM

The LSM spring tester is a fine piece of equipment. You do have to adjust it to your type of rocker arm. It comes with a good set of instructions. You have to calabrate it to a known spring that has been tested on a good quality bench tester. Then you check the spring with the LSM unit. There are shims you add or remove until you get the same pressure reading with the LSM and the bench tester. Once its calabrated it will give you excellent results. Very accurate

Jeff Lee · 06-19-2008, 05:25 PM

It’s part number POW351047…catalog price is $219.95
Here's a diagram and instructions, trick piece!

http://www.powerhouseproducts.com/Base/PDF/POW135.pdf

Bill Edgeworth · 06-19-2008, 05:27 PM

I have both the $$Proform (basically the same as the LSM) and the cheap Moroso one. The Proform one is nice because you can add or remove shims to adjust the point on the rocker arm where it measures. If you are too far towards the tip it will read low to close to pivot point it will read high.
Having said this I would be more concerned about what fits on your engine and allows you to take readings without having things like master cylinders or shock towers that get in the way of you taking a reading. To me it’s more important to measure pressure on a fresh set of springs/heads and track the changes than worry about the accuracy of a $75 checker opposed to a $300 one.
To me a bench top unit is the only real way to accurately check installed height pressure. But if you are really worried about what the pressure really is when checking on the head you should check your springs at installed height on a bench top unit then install the spring(s) and then calibrate your hand held one by adjusting the shims. (Mike already said this)
Again I have to say I would only use a handheld one for tracking changes in spring pressure not trying to decide if you have 170# or 200#.
This really does not apply to stock but if you are working on a motor that has a different intake and exhaust rocker ratio you will probably get different readings intake to exhaust as the hand held checkers measuring point is in relation to the push rod so you can really only calibrate it to the intake or exhaust rocker on a set up like that. I bought my Proform to check springs on my Mopar because the Moroso one I use on the Pontiac would not read high enough. After spending the money I realized with my fender well headers swooping up I could not check ¾ of the springs without removing the headers. I guess I now have to go out and buy a 90 degree one; it will probably hit the intake!

Ed Wright · 06-20-2008, 10:31 PM

I just tore some crap up and ran embarasingly slow at Topeka due to premature valve spring deaths. Do you guys know of one that will do the the rear half of the springs on a '93/'97 GM Camaro/Firebird. Half that stupid engine is back under the windshield/cowl.

Thanks, Ed

james schaechter · 06-21-2008, 07:04 AM

I haven't seen one in action with the slant handle, but I bet if you call LSM they can tell you if this may fit. It is the slant handle one.I have a straight handle one and it is worth it. I checked it vs. the rimac on the new springs and it is dead on if you are careful. It isn't really for set up, but it could prevent issues if you use it to monitor any severe changes that could cause problems like you were describing. Check it out. Jim.

http://www.lsmproducts.com/

p.s. I thought you were a stick guy? What happened?

06-19-2008, 12:05 PM	#1
Eric Merryfield Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 872 Likes: 1 Liked 502 Times in 130 Posts	Valve spring tester, running valves Anyone have a suggestion for a good valve spring tester? On head or off? I have a couple of new to me stockers Magnum 360 Dakota, 383 challenger, and I don't want to be changing the springs when I start to hear popping...too late, and running valves with unknown springs might be a exercise in futility. __________________ Eric Merryfield 1883 STK

06-19-2008, 01:47 PM	#2
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Valve spring tester, running valves I just used an LSM for the first time. Now I have it on my Christmas list. I was told it is as accurate as a bench-top Remac (sp?). The one I used gave a 20+ pound different reading than the standard Moroso tester (the Moroso read light). Well worth the $$ IMO. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

06-19-2008, 03:10 PM	#3
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,452 Likes: 615 Liked 1,937 Times in 582 Posts	Re: Valve spring tester, running valves The LSM spring tester is a fine piece of equipment. You do have to adjust it to your type of rocker arm. It comes with a good set of instructions. You have to calabrate it to a known spring that has been tested on a good quality bench tester. Then you check the spring with the LSM unit. There are shims you add or remove until you get the same pressure reading with the LSM and the bench tester. Once its calabrated it will give you excellent results. Very accurate __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS

06-19-2008, 05:25 PM	#4
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Valve spring tester, running valves It’s part number POW351047…catalog price is $219.95 Here's a diagram and instructions, trick piece! http://www.powerhouseproducts.com/Base/PDF/POW135.pdf __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX Last edited by Jeff Lee; 06-19-2008 at 05:28 PM.

06-19-2008, 05:27 PM	#5
Bill Edgeworth Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 258 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Valve spring tester, running valves I have both the $$Proform (basically the same as the LSM) and the cheap Moroso one. The Proform one is nice because you can add or remove shims to adjust the point on the rocker arm where it measures. If you are too far towards the tip it will read low to close to pivot point it will read high. Having said this I would be more concerned about what fits on your engine and allows you to take readings without having things like master cylinders or shock towers that get in the way of you taking a reading. To me it’s more important to measure pressure on a fresh set of springs/heads and track the changes than worry about the accuracy of a $75 checker opposed to a $300 one. To me a bench top unit is the only real way to accurately check installed height pressure. But if you are really worried about what the pressure really is when checking on the head you should check your springs at installed height on a bench top unit then install the spring(s) and then calibrate your hand held one by adjusting the shims. (Mike already said this) Again I have to say I would only use a handheld one for tracking changes in spring pressure not trying to decide if you have 170# or 200#. This really does not apply to stock but if you are working on a motor that has a different intake and exhaust rocker ratio you will probably get different readings intake to exhaust as the hand held checkers measuring point is in relation to the push rod so you can really only calibrate it to the intake or exhaust rocker on a set up like that. I bought my Proform to check springs on my Mopar because the Moroso one I use on the Pontiac would not read high enough. After spending the money I realized with my fender well headers swooping up I could not check ¾ of the springs without removing the headers. I guess I now have to go out and buy a 90 degree one; it will probably hit the intake! __________________ Bill Edgeworth 6471 STK

06-20-2008, 10:31 PM	#6
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Valve spring tester, running valves I just tore some crap up and ran embarasingly slow at Topeka due to premature valve spring deaths. Do you guys know of one that will do the the rear half of the springs on a '93/'97 GM Camaro/Firebird. Half that stupid engine is back under the windshield/cowl. Thanks, Ed __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

06-21-2008, 07:04 AM	#7
james schaechter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cumming GA Posts: 1,992 Likes: 1,293 Liked 1,436 Times in 299 Posts	Re: Valve spring tester, running valves I haven't seen one in action with the slant handle, but I bet if you call LSM they can tell you if this may fit. It is the slant handle one.I have a straight handle one and it is worth it. I checked it vs. the rimac on the new springs and it is dead on if you are careful. It isn't really for set up, but it could prevent issues if you use it to monitor any severe changes that could cause problems like you were describing. Check it out. Jim. http://www.lsmproducts.com/ p.s. I thought you were a stick guy? What happened? __________________ James Schaechter 3163 STK