1970 Nova with 307/195hp

Nova4301 · 09-25-2008, 08:02 AM

Has anyone toyed with this combination in stock (O/SA or P/SA)? Not a common combination but just wondering if anyone has had any luck going under the index with it? If so, any suggestions?

Alan Roehrich · 09-25-2008, 08:08 AM

I have a customer who ran that for a while. I think about 3-4 tenths under is as good as he did with it. There are a lot better combinations for a Nova.

Nova4301 · 09-25-2008, 09:42 AM

thanks for the response, I have heard it to be a bad combination from alot of people. I posted a new thread. Maybe you or someone can help with some 350 options...I think that would put the nova in M/SA or K/SA depending on a 2 barrel or 4 barrel combination...I am new to this though so I could easily be wrong.

Todd Bailey · 09-25-2008, 10:55 AM

I looked at this combo (307/2bbl) myself to get my feet wet in Stock but in speaking with Billy Nees he said that the carb was too small to really work. He was helping out a guy who was running this combo but I think the guy gave up on it. I think a few years ago, Bobby Lundholm(sp) D-2, was running the 350/2bbl with success.

Bobby Lundholm · 09-25-2008, 12:07 PM

It was my dad that was running the 350 with 2 barrell. We took it to the Montgomery open when they had it around Thanksgiving and ran low 12's in mineshaft air. I still have the 2 barrell manifold if anyone is interested in it.

Nova4301 · 09-25-2008, 01:30 PM

Well, like I said I am new to this stuff but I am trying to get a successful combination together for my nova and I just wanted to know what was out there to buy or build myself.
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Tim Wilson HR SST 4301

Don Himes · 09-25-2008, 03:34 PM

You know, Billy Nees has been running the 307-2bbl. in his 4 door '70 Nova in R/SA. He has gone more than 4 under without really diving hard into the combo. I know it's been pretty consistant. That and his string of double O lights, he's gone deep into the eliminations at a couple of points meets.

Nova4301 · 09-26-2008, 07:53 AM

I appreciate the info.. I am not real sure what I am going to build or get just yet, I just have the original 307 now and thought it might be a good starter combination but I didn't want to have to work real hard on a combination and still fall short of the index. It sounds like it may be in my best interest to go with try something other than a 307...I am really used to no/e racing in the 10 second to 12 second range so I may be looking for a combination that will put me there.

Billy Nees · 09-26-2008, 08:26 AM

Tim, just a little food for thought, you mentioned looking for a "starter combination". The biggest problem that you will have with building a 350 or 396 combo (even the 2V) is going to be with the classes that these combos fall into. You can build a "starter combo" and go racing with these combinations but you had better be willing to get beat in any heads up races that you may run into. I'm not trying to dissuade you from coming into Stock Eliminator but I do want you to understand coming in that it's (contrary to what you might hear) not like building a SST or Bracket car. Where I'm going with this is that you might consider doing the 307 car (do it as a 71 or 72 it fits Q and R) because you're going to be dealing with a combo that any competent machine shop can build for you. The carb is too small but on the plus side because of that it doesn't need an "enhanced" set of heads and intake and it won't want a big cam that will kill valvetrain parts. Think of it kind of like a "kindergarden" combo! It will let you into the eliminator to learn the ropes and the right people to deal with so that when you do "step up" you will be in a position to know the right people to go to and parts to get. Just my $.02

Nova4301 · 09-26-2008, 08:56 AM

thanks Billy, I will still heavily consider the 307...like I said it is what I have already and I am sure I can build it pretty cheap. I am planning on trying to get it together by next year and if successful then I will run IHRA and NHRA div4 stuff. If I do go with the 307 I might have to contact you or anyone else you might recommend with some questions as I go with it.

If you don't mind me asking...what is a good stall converter, shift point, and crossing point rpm. My dad has built transmissions and converters for a long time (Wilson Racing transmissions and converters Moore, OK) so I can play around with it, but I would like to know where to start...thanks.

09-25-2008, 08:02 AM	#1
Nova4301 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Moore, OK Posts: 54 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1970 Nova with 307/195hp Has anyone toyed with this combination in stock (O/SA or P/SA)? Not a common combination but just wondering if anyone has had any luck going under the index with it? If so, any suggestions?

09-25-2008, 08:08 AM	#2
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,123 Likes: 1,580 Liked 1,871 Times in 422 Posts	Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp I have a customer who ran that for a while. I think about 3-4 tenths under is as good as he did with it. There are a lot better combinations for a Nova. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

09-25-2008, 09:42 AM	#3
Nova4301 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Moore, OK Posts: 54 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp thanks for the response, I have heard it to be a bad combination from alot of people. I posted a new thread. Maybe you or someone can help with some 350 options...I think that would put the nova in M/SA or K/SA depending on a 2 barrel or 4 barrel combination...I am new to this though so I could easily be wrong.

09-25-2008, 10:55 AM	#4
Todd Bailey Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 312 Likes: 30 Liked 33 Times in 17 Posts	Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp I looked at this combo (307/2bbl) myself to get my feet wet in Stock but in speaking with Billy Nees he said that the carb was too small to really work. He was helping out a guy who was running this combo but I think the guy gave up on it. I think a few years ago, Bobby Lundholm(sp) D-2, was running the 350/2bbl with success.

09-25-2008, 12:07 PM	#5
Bobby Lundholm Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Charlevoix, MI Posts: 453 Likes: 115 Liked 127 Times in 49 Posts	Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp It was my dad that was running the 350 with 2 barrell. We took it to the Montgomery open when they had it around Thanksgiving and ran low 12's in mineshaft air. I still have the 2 barrell manifold if anyone is interested in it. __________________ Bobby Lundholm 3516 G/SA

09-25-2008, 01:30 PM	#6
Nova4301 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Moore, OK Posts: 54 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp Well, like I said I am new to this stuff but I am trying to get a successful combination together for my nova and I just wanted to know what was out there to buy or build myself. _____________________________ Tim Wilson HR SST 4301

09-25-2008, 03:34 PM	#7
Don Himes Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Port Charlotte, Fla. Posts: 160 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp You know, Billy Nees has been running the 307-2bbl. in his 4 door '70 Nova in R/SA. He has gone more than 4 under without really diving hard into the combo. I know it's been pretty consistant. That and his string of double O lights, he's gone deep into the eliminations at a couple of points meets. __________________ Don Himes 2075

09-26-2008, 07:53 AM	#8
Nova4301 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Moore, OK Posts: 54 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp I appreciate the info.. I am not real sure what I am going to build or get just yet, I just have the original 307 now and thought it might be a good starter combination but I didn't want to have to work real hard on a combination and still fall short of the index. It sounds like it may be in my best interest to go with try something other than a 307...I am really used to no/e racing in the 10 second to 12 second range so I may be looking for a combination that will put me there. __________________ Tim Wilson HR/SST 4301

09-26-2008, 08:26 AM	#9
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,501 Likes: 3,603 Liked 7,785 Times in 1,744 Posts	Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp Tim, just a little food for thought, you mentioned looking for a "starter combination". The biggest problem that you will have with building a 350 or 396 combo (even the 2V) is going to be with the classes that these combos fall into. You can build a "starter combo" and go racing with these combinations but you had better be willing to get beat in any heads up races that you may run into. I'm not trying to dissuade you from coming into Stock Eliminator but I do want you to understand coming in that it's (contrary to what you might hear) not like building a SST or Bracket car. Where I'm going with this is that you might consider doing the 307 car (do it as a 71 or 72 it fits Q and R) because you're going to be dealing with a combo that any competent machine shop can build for you. The carb is too small but on the plus side because of that it doesn't need an "enhanced" set of heads and intake and it won't want a big cam that will kill valvetrain parts. Think of it kind of like a "kindergarden" combo! It will let you into the eliminator to learn the ropes and the right people to deal with so that when you do "step up" you will be in a position to know the right people to go to and parts to get. Just my $.02 __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

09-26-2008, 08:56 AM	#10
Nova4301 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Moore, OK Posts: 54 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 1970 Nova with 307/195hp thanks Billy, I will still heavily consider the 307...like I said it is what I have already and I am sure I can build it pretty cheap. I am planning on trying to get it together by next year and if successful then I will run IHRA and NHRA div4 stuff. If I do go with the 307 I might have to contact you or anyone else you might recommend with some questions as I go with it. If you don't mind me asking...what is a good stall converter, shift point, and crossing point rpm. My dad has built transmissions and converters for a long time (Wilson Racing transmissions and converters Moore, OK) so I can play around with it, but I would like to know where to start...thanks. __________________ Tim Wilson HR/SST 4301