Fred Henson vs. Sorenson

Jeff Teuton · 05-04-2009, 01:12 PM

I would like to know what is the difference between Fred Henson's Hemi and the West Coast car. Fred ran 9.89 in A/SA and got 3.25% HP. -1200 ft DA or better and tailwind. I guess maybe the North West guys are better than the South Central guys? And if weight was in fact manipulated before the scales in Division 4, instant out of the race and out for 2 years minimum. The West Coast run was also in excess of 1.40 under if the Comp Altitude Adjustment was used (as recommended by the S/SS committee) in S/SS instead of the factors we are stuck with. Something is wrong here.

Bob Pagano · 05-04-2009, 04:32 PM

Here is what is listed on the Div site.

STOCK ELIMINATOR
1) Hal Sorensen, Vancouver, Wash., '69 Camaro, B/SA, 10.159 seconds, -1.771 (under index)
2) Bill Edgeworth, Tacoma, Wash., '77 Firebird, K/SA, 11.658, -1.722
3) Steve Wann, Modesto, Calif., '73 Dart, F/SA, 11.000, -1.550
4) Wesley Libby, Mead, Wash., '71 Challenger, B/SA, 10.418, -1.512
5) Glenn Person, Regina, Sask., '70 Challenger, C/SA, 10.590, -1.500
6) Tommy Gaynor, Vancouver, Wash., '98 Camaro, C/SA, 10.600, -1.490
7) John Hill, Fairbanks, Alaska, '86 Camaro, H/SA, 11.379, -1.481
8) Richie Pauley, Newhall, Calif., '68 Mustang, C/SA, 10.615, -1.475
9) Jim Mantle, Black Creek, B.C., '79 Pacer Wgn, V/SA, 14.876, -1.444
10) Tibor Kadar, Peoria, Ariz., '67 Camaro, D/SA, 10.829, -1.411

Ed Fernandez · 05-04-2009, 05:13 PM

BOISE, Idaho - Order after 3 rounds of qualifying in Stock Eliminator at the NHRA Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series, Northwest Division, 39th Annual NAPA Auto Parts Ignitor event, presented by Dan Wiebold Ford, at Firebird Raceway:
Weather conditions: air temperature 69 degrees, relative humidity 27 percent, barometer 27.28 inches, adjusted altitude 3,879 feet, track temperature 93 degrees.

Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)

1 633 B/SA Hal Sorensen, Vancouver WA, '69 Camaro 10.142 11.93 -1.788
2 6471 K/SA Bill Edgeworth, Tacoma WA, '77 Firebird 11.658 13.38 -1.722
3 7980 F/SA Steve Wann, Modesto CA, '73 Dart 11.000 12.55 -1.550
4 6149 B/SA Wesley Libby, Mead WA, '71 Challenger 10.418 11.93 -1.512
5 6300 C/SA Glenn Person, Regina SK, '70 Challenger 10.590 12.09 -1.500

And what about this?Is this the missing 18 minutes of tape from the Nixon White House??????????

Ed F.

junior barns · 05-04-2009, 05:22 PM

did'nt make weight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ed Fernandez · 05-04-2009, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by junior barns

did'nt make weight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????
Water condition?

herbjr · 05-04-2009, 09:45 PM

You should ask one A/SA racer from NC what he thinks about Hensons run. Total BS.

junior barns · 05-04-2009, 09:47 PM

Why??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????
Water condition?

who cares! if he done something illegal then he should be suspended!! if he crossed scale and did not make weight the run does not count!!

junior barns · 05-04-2009, 10:27 PM

Ed said

"If he didn't make weight due to the fact that the radiator was emptied don't you think that's a rule infraction that needs to be addressed"

YES! But he should never been allowed to cross the scale at that point!

Automatic suspension! If this happened

Ed Fernandez · 05-04-2009, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by junior barns

Ed said

"If he didn't make weight due to the fact that the radiator was emptied don't you think that's a rule infraction that needs to be addressed"

YES! But he should never been allowed to cross the scale at that point!

Automatic suspension! If this happened

Then we agree.Okey dokey.

Ed

junior barns · 05-04-2009, 10:51 PM

OLD GUY said

AHFS rules don't say anything about weight. They say you go 1.40 under the sea level index you get 3.25% HP period. If you are dumb enough to run your car light and go 1.40 under then you probably deserve a bigger hit than that. Hensen didn't weigh, no fuel check, and no tear down to verify legal motor. He got 15 HP the following Monday. Sorenson should get the same and a vacation for altering weight after the run before the scales. They are not novice racers and know better than to do what they did.

Agree 110%

I thought Hensen's deal was bad, not because I didnt think it needed to get hit but because he didnt complete the run by weighing and passing fuel check! Run should have been thrown out! Suspended?

My logic or common sense tells me that in order to complete a run and get credit for that run you need to at the very least pass weight and fuel. This should not have to be spelled out in the rule book. Anything else is up to NHRA as to what they may want to inspect

05-04-2009, 01:12 PM	#1
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Fred Henson vs. Sorenson I would like to know what is the difference between Fred Henson's Hemi and the West Coast car. Fred ran 9.89 in A/SA and got 3.25% HP. -1200 ft DA or better and tailwind. I guess maybe the North West guys are better than the South Central guys? And if weight was in fact manipulated before the scales in Division 4, instant out of the race and out for 2 years minimum. The West Coast run was also in excess of 1.40 under if the Comp Altitude Adjustment was used (as recommended by the S/SS committee) in S/SS instead of the factors we are stuck with. Something is wrong here. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

05-04-2009, 04:32 PM	#2
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 238 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson Here is what is listed on the Div site. STOCK ELIMINATOR 1) Hal Sorensen, Vancouver, Wash., '69 Camaro, B/SA, 10.159 seconds, -1.771 (under index) 2) Bill Edgeworth, Tacoma, Wash., '77 Firebird, K/SA, 11.658, -1.722 3) Steve Wann, Modesto, Calif., '73 Dart, F/SA, 11.000, -1.550 4) Wesley Libby, Mead, Wash., '71 Challenger, B/SA, 10.418, -1.512 5) Glenn Person, Regina, Sask., '70 Challenger, C/SA, 10.590, -1.500 6) Tommy Gaynor, Vancouver, Wash., '98 Camaro, C/SA, 10.600, -1.490 7) John Hill, Fairbanks, Alaska, '86 Camaro, H/SA, 11.379, -1.481 8) Richie Pauley, Newhall, Calif., '68 Mustang, C/SA, 10.615, -1.475 9) Jim Mantle, Black Creek, B.C., '79 Pacer Wgn, V/SA, 14.876, -1.444 10) Tibor Kadar, Peoria, Ariz., '67 Camaro, D/SA, 10.829, -1.411 __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

05-04-2009, 05:13 PM	#3
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson BOISE, Idaho - Order after 3 rounds of qualifying in Stock Eliminator at the NHRA Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series, Northwest Division, 39th Annual NAPA Auto Parts Ignitor event, presented by Dan Wiebold Ford, at Firebird Raceway: Weather conditions: air temperature 69 degrees, relative humidity 27 percent, barometer 27.28 inches, adjusted altitude 3,879 feet, track temperature 93 degrees. Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-) 1 633 B/SA Hal Sorensen, Vancouver WA, '69 Camaro 10.142 11.93 -1.788 2 6471 K/SA Bill Edgeworth, Tacoma WA, '77 Firebird 11.658 13.38 -1.722 3 7980 F/SA Steve Wann, Modesto CA, '73 Dart 11.000 12.55 -1.550 4 6149 B/SA Wesley Libby, Mead WA, '71 Challenger 10.418 11.93 -1.512 5 6300 C/SA Glenn Person, Regina SK, '70 Challenger 10.590 12.09 -1.500 And what about this?Is this the missing 18 minutes of tape from the Nixon White House?????????? Ed F. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

05-04-2009, 05:22 PM	#4
junior barns Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 541 Likes: 11 Liked 20 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson did'nt make weight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

05-04-2009, 09:45 PM	#6
herbjr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 1,027 Likes: 1 Liked 83 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson You should ask one A/SA racer from NC what he thinks about Hensons run. Total BS.

05-04-2009, 09:47 PM	#7
junior barns Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 541 Likes: 11 Liked 20 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson Why??????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????? Water condition? who cares! if he done something illegal then he should be suspended!! if he crossed scale and did not make weight the run does not count!!

05-04-2009, 10:27 PM	#8
junior barns Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 541 Likes: 11 Liked 20 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson Ed said "If he didn't make weight due to the fact that the radiator was emptied don't you think that's a rule infraction that needs to be addressed" YES! But he should never been allowed to cross the scale at that point! Automatic suspension! If this happened

05-04-2009, 10:51 PM	#10
junior barns Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 541 Likes: 11 Liked 20 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson OLD GUY said AHFS rules don't say anything about weight. They say you go 1.40 under the sea level index you get 3.25% HP period. If you are dumb enough to run your car light and go 1.40 under then you probably deserve a bigger hit than that. Hensen didn't weigh, no fuel check, and no tear down to verify legal motor. He got 15 HP the following Monday. Sorenson should get the same and a vacation for altering weight after the run before the scales. They are not novice racers and know better than to do what they did. Agree 110% I thought Hensen's deal was bad, not because I didnt think it needed to get hit but because he didnt complete the run by weighing and passing fuel check! Run should have been thrown out! Suspended? My logic or common sense tells me that in order to complete a run and get credit for that run you need to at the very least pass weight and fuel. This should not have to be spelled out in the rule book. Anything else is up to NHRA as to what they may want to inspect