Performance Based Stk/SS Racing

Travis Miller · 11-27-2010, 07:01 PM

There are several racers on this forum who are always talking about Stock and S/S losing its performance based status. Well here’s an idea where you can prove you still have performance based classes.

At the LODRS events across the country the tracks are prepped and the racers are there. Talk to your Division Director and see if he would allow you to have a combo race on Friday or Saturday night of the event. Make it a no breakout combo race that proves just how fast you can go, not who’s the best driver with a bottle of shoe polish. Either get your own sponsors or make it a gamblers race to pay the purse. Don’t expect NHRA to put up any money, do it all yourself.

My suggestion would be handicapped off the indexes with no breakout. Of course the AHFS would NOT be in effect. There would still be a need to be fuel checked and weighed just to keep everyone honest. And no ringers would be allowed. The car must be entered into and qualified at the regular LODRS event.

This would not be a TOP Stock or Top S/S race since all classes of Stock and S/S would be invited to race, not just a select few. So how many of you performance oriented racers would be willing to put up your own money to race this way? Think about it and talk to your DD for next season.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

Chad Rhodes · 11-27-2010, 07:08 PM

i think thats a great idea if you put a CIC at -1.00

K Stubbs · 11-27-2010, 07:15 PM

I would for sure. If the entry was $200 and you get twenty cars, thats $4000. Before anyone says that is too steep, you are already there, you will spend this much on a points race and get paid less after you chase it down.

Jeff Teuton · 11-27-2010, 07:11 PM

I would do that with my new car and I would have done it with my old car. When I started you had to win class to run the eliminator. Course the eliminator in stock was only 6, S/S thru E/S

Travis Miller · 11-27-2010, 07:18 PM

No CIC, just flat out racing is the only way to prove true performance. Thats what everyone wants....right?

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

art leong · 11-27-2010, 07:23 PM

Travis take a look at my thread about doing away with the breakout alltogether.

Angelo DiTocco · 11-27-2010, 07:44 PM

Travis,
I think it is a great idea - but I don't see it happening in D-1 because there's already too much on the schedule. A while back (like late 90's early 00's) D-1 used to have a gamblers type race race early Friday evenings at some of the points meets. They took the top 8 in reaction time from each class S/SS and the .90 classes (if you signed up prior to the time trials). It really was a lot of fun. Some guys did have a problem with it being based on RT. It did not last long though. And now, with Top Sportsman, Top Dragster, Snow Mobiles on the schedule - I'm sure it will never happen.

You have to remember that the now defunct NSCA did something similar... (Around '03-'05) with a CIC type system in place...a generous payout too.... and guess what? Hardly anyone showed for these races. I was able to make to 2 of them (You were at one of em, I remember) - but again, due to lack of support it was gone relatively quickly.

Ed Fernandez · 11-27-2010, 07:59 PM

Maybe Gary Richard would be interested doing that at the Div 1 open races.

KingReptile · 12-08-2010, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Miller

No CIC, just flat out racing is the only way to prove true performance. Thats what everyone wants....right?

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

Love It I'll be there

hutt1 · 12-09-2010, 10:27 AM

They used to run a program like this at Music city raceway( Union Hill) years ago.. I can remember watching them run.. They called it combo 1 and combo 2 . I dont know how long it was ran. It was very fun to watch.
Maybe if notes were taken and given to nhra some true performance numbers might come out.. As jeff stated he could bring back one of the turbo chryslers and go 2 seconds under the index.. It might change a little if the car had to be qualified in the regular program and has been through tech..
There are more cars fast that are the slower index cars than the other way around.. There is a turbo thunderbird thats been real fast also.. And then Mr Bob Dennis is always around the top in super stock..

Scott Hutton

11-27-2010, 07:01 PM	#1
Travis Miller Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 478 Likes: 1 Liked 276 Times in 27 Posts	Performance Based Stk/SS Racing There are several racers on this forum who are always talking about Stock and S/S losing its performance based status. Well here’s an idea where you can prove you still have performance based classes. At the LODRS events across the country the tracks are prepped and the racers are there. Talk to your Division Director and see if he would allow you to have a combo race on Friday or Saturday night of the event. Make it a no breakout combo race that proves just how fast you can go, not who’s the best driver with a bottle of shoe polish. Either get your own sponsors or make it a gamblers race to pay the purse. Don’t expect NHRA to put up any money, do it all yourself. My suggestion would be handicapped off the indexes with no breakout. Of course the AHFS would NOT be in effect. There would still be a need to be fuel checked and weighed just to keep everyone honest. And no ringers would be allowed. The car must be entered into and qualified at the regular LODRS event. This would not be a TOP Stock or Top S/S race since all classes of Stock and S/S would be invited to race, not just a select few. So how many of you performance oriented racers would be willing to put up your own money to race this way? Think about it and talk to your DD for next season. Travis Miller (Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

11-27-2010, 07:08 PM	#2
Chad Rhodes VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Where the Green Grass Grows, AL Posts: 2,375 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing i think thats a great idea if you put a CIC at -1.00 __________________ Chad Rhodes 2113 I/SA

11-27-2010, 07:15 PM	#3
K Stubbs Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Benton, Arkansas Posts: 402 Likes: 0 Liked 20 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing I would for sure. If the entry was $200 and you get twenty cars, thats $4000. Before anyone says that is too steep, you are already there, you will spend this much on a points race and get paid less after you chase it down.

11-27-2010, 07:11 PM	#4
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing I would do that with my new car and I would have done it with my old car. When I started you had to win class to run the eliminator. Course the eliminator in stock was only 6, S/S thru E/S __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

11-27-2010, 07:18 PM	#5
Travis Miller Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 478 Likes: 1 Liked 276 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing No CIC, just flat out racing is the only way to prove true performance. Thats what everyone wants....right? Travis Miller (Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

11-27-2010, 07:23 PM	#6
art leong VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Richmond Hill, Georgia Posts: 2,003 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing Travis take a look at my thread about doing away with the breakout alltogether. __________________ Art Leong 2095 SS

11-27-2010, 07:44 PM	#7
Angelo DiTocco Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NY, NY Posts: 750 Likes: 175 Liked 189 Times in 48 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing Travis, I think it is a great idea - but I don't see it happening in D-1 because there's already too much on the schedule. A while back (like late 90's early 00's) D-1 used to have a gamblers type race race early Friday evenings at some of the points meets. They took the top 8 in reaction time from each class S/SS and the .90 classes (if you signed up prior to the time trials). It really was a lot of fun. Some guys did have a problem with it being based on RT. It did not last long though. And now, with Top Sportsman, Top Dragster, Snow Mobiles on the schedule - I'm sure it will never happen. You have to remember that the now defunct NSCA did something similar... (Around '03-'05) with a CIC type system in place...a generous payout too.... and guess what? Hardly anyone showed for these races. I was able to make to 2 of them (You were at one of em, I remember) - but again, due to lack of support it was gone relatively quickly. __________________ Angelo DiTocco '98 Firebird SS/HA '98 Firebird B/SA

11-27-2010, 07:59 PM	#8
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing Maybe Gary Richard would be interested doing that at the Div 1 open races. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

12-09-2010, 10:27 AM	#10
hutt1 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Portland, Tn Posts: 123 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing They used to run a program like this at Music city raceway( Union Hill) years ago.. I can remember watching them run.. They called it combo 1 and combo 2 . I dont know how long it was ran. It was very fun to watch. Maybe if notes were taken and given to nhra some true performance numbers might come out.. As jeff stated he could bring back one of the turbo chryslers and go 2 seconds under the index.. It might change a little if the car had to be qualified in the regular program and has been through tech.. There are more cars fast that are the slower index cars than the other way around.. There is a turbo thunderbird thats been real fast also.. And then Mr Bob Dennis is always around the top in super stock.. Scott Hutton