4 Speeds

[treessavoy]

There seems to be a friendly dialog between the stick and automatic guys and gals. I have raced both so I'm not leaning either way except I like my push button trans.

Question: Would you guys still race a stick if it had to be the one that the car was originally equiped with ? B&W, mopar, toploader etc.

JimR

[Paul Precht]

Originally Posted by treessavoy

There seems to be a friendly dialog between the stick and automatic guys and gals. I have raced both so I'm not leaning either way except I like my push button trans.

Question: Would you guys still race a stick if it had to be the one that the car was originally equiped with ? B&W, mopar, toploader etc.

JimR

Push Buttons for me too Jim, It's funny after a 3-4 day race I get into my tow vehicle and reach for the push buttons. The thought of having a floor shifter in my Challenger is almost a deal breaker, although I love the car I think floor shifted auto's are a major step back from the push buttons, Paul.

[Jeff Lee]

No way! And it's not due to performance, longevity disadvantage (although that would be part of the equation). It's the fact you can no longer go to the wrecking yard on a Saturday afternoon and but a T-10 , A-883 or M-21 for $75-$150 when you break one. And parts aren't cheap or even readily available. Then you have to consider the loss of performance in just the gear set ratios.

Now what would it take to get more racers in S/SS into a 4-speed? Equality in the indexes for one. One of many examples is SS/J & SS/JA where the SS/JA has a .200 advantage on the index over the SS/J car. Go down the list and see the disparity.

The other way to get more stick racers would be to allow magnetic clutch pedal release as offered by Biondo to compete on a level playing field with the t-brake racers with various delay mechanisms internally built in (and adjustable) in Super Stock.

[Ed Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

No way! And it's not due to performance, longevity disadvantage (although that would be part of the equation). It's the fact you can no longer go to the wrecking yard on a Saturday afternoon and but a T-10 , A-883 or M-21 for $75-$150 when you break one. And parts aren't cheap or even readily available. Then you have to consider the loss of performance in just the gear set ratios.

Now what would it take to get more racers in S/SS into a 4-speed? Equality in the indexes for one. One of many examples is SS/J & SS/JA where the SS/JA has a .200 advantage on the index over the SS/J car. Go down the list and see the disparity.

The other way to get more stick racers would be to allow magnetic clutch pedal release as offered by Biondo to compete on a level playing field with the t-brake racers with various delay mechanisms internally built in (and adjustable) in Super Stock.

Jeff why would you even consider the magnetic deal? Let's just take the driver totally out of the car. Magnetic releases, buttons, air shifters, etc what's left for the driver to do?

[Jeff Lee]

Deuces,
Great idea! But only if the auto trans guys had to foot brake it and could have no built in reaction time delay mechanisms.
What's good for the goose should be good for the gander.

[John Leichtamer Jr]

Jeff

Don't forget the shift aid for the automatic also...


Hammer

[Tom keedle]

oh hell, just as well let stock use clutchless transmissions,too

btw, i'll be using a st-10 in the rambler (at least for a while )

[Larry Curtis]

Originally Posted by treessavoy

Question: Would you guys still race a stick if it had to be the one that the car was originally equiped with ? B&W, mopar, toploader etc.

JimR

I would not have put a stick in my car if I had to use an A-833 or t-56.

[Hemi Moose]

Originally Posted by Larry Curtis

I would not have put a stick in my car if I had to use an A-833 or t-56.

Really, I thought the 18 spline hemi trans A833 was a pretty tough tranny back in the day, but I'm sure there's much better trans racers use for a replacement today.