What would your Div director do ?

TOM KASCH · 07-25-2011, 10:38 AM

My friend Marion Stephenson asked me to post this.

3948 SS/CM M Stokes
332 GT/EA M Stephenson

1st pair out 1st rd of Super Stock Div. 3 Columbus,last weekend.
Marions tree does not have the 1st yellow bulb come on, but he leaves on the bottom bulb, has a 017 light, but because the tree didn't count down thinks he is late.
Doesn't drive the top end like he would have if the tree would have counted down correctly. he is thinking I'm late & lost to Stokes .
Does to Div.3 dir. and askes for a rerun, Jay says because he had a good light [by accident] NO rerun.

the car behind him saw that the tree didn't count down right and shutoff till they fixed the tree [new bube]
What do you think your Div director would have done ?

Charley Downing · 07-25-2011, 10:49 AM

Jay made the right call.

Jack Matyas · 07-25-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Jay made the right call.

Agree..........

Jack Matyas · 07-26-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Jay made the right call.

Originally I agreed with Jay's call thinking that the racer took the tree and he owns it then . But after much thought on this he had no choice - the tree malfunctioned and all he did was react as any of us would - but he did nothing wrong and was and still is owed a re-run ......

Tom Goldman · 07-26-2011, 04:18 PM

Tree problems seem to be a issue at National Trail.
At last years Div. race ,the tree had a problem with 1 lamp not working on the left lane.
They finally replaced the tree with one they "borrowed" from Indy.
That one had the lamps in the right lane facing everywhere but the racer !
Jay did'nt see a problem with that either.

Michael Beard · 07-25-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TOM KASCH

Does to Div.3 dir. and askes for a rerun, Jay says because he had a good light [by accident] NO rerun.

So he's saying that if he had been late, then it would've been a re-run? How late would be late enough to warrant a re-run, then? If the top bulb had worked, would he have been red, the same, or later? There is no way to answer that question.

Of course the opposite argument can be made: Had he won the round, would he still have wanted a re-run?

In my opinion, the answer to the re-run question should be the same regardless of who was involved or what the outcome of the race was. The tree malfunctioned, the race should be re-run. Somebody's going to be mad, regardless of how it plays out.

I had a deal at a local bracket race where they had CrossTalk on for Footbrake by mistake. I was the faster car, and got the crosstalk tree. I was late, but still won the round. They made us re-run, even though the winning car was the only one affected by the crosstalk. In retrospect, they did the right thing, because who's to say I wouldn't have been red if the tree had come down correctly?

Mickey Whaley · 07-25-2011, 12:02 PM

Beard is right!

Jim Wahl · 07-25-2011, 12:07 PM

Beard is right! Jim

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Jeff Teuton · 07-25-2011, 12:09 PM

Re-run either way.

Dick Butler · 07-25-2011, 12:19 PM

Seems that the cold hard fact of a Malfunction should be the deciding factor. A good light, a bad light, a "relatively" good light wouldnt seem to matter. Re Run would seem in order on the basis of Malfunction unrelated to "subjective" evaluation of et, rx etc.
Micheal, it shouldnt have been up to him to "want " a rerun. Tower should have ruled based on what happened with the tree, nothing more.

07-25-2011, 10:38 AM	#1
TOM KASCH VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TOLEDO,OHIO Posts: 1,735 Likes: 0 Liked 241 Times in 100 Posts	What would your Div director do ? My friend Marion Stephenson asked me to post this. 3948 SS/CM M Stokes 332 GT/EA M Stephenson 1st pair out 1st rd of Super Stock Div. 3 Columbus,last weekend. Marions tree does not have the 1st yellow bulb come on, but he leaves on the bottom bulb, has a 017 light, but because the tree didn't count down thinks he is late. Doesn't drive the top end like he would have if the tree would have counted down correctly. he is thinking I'm late & lost to Stokes . Does to Div.3 dir. and askes for a rerun, Jay says because he had a good light [by accident] NO rerun. the car behind him saw that the tree didn't count down right and shutoff till they fixed the tree [new bube] What do you think your Div director would have done ? Last edited by TOM KASCH; 07-25-2011 at 10:44 AM.

07-25-2011, 10:49 AM	#2
Charley Downing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761 Likes: 16 Liked 633 Times in 88 Posts	Re: What would your Div director do ? Jay made the right call. __________________ Charley Downing 3548 STK Last edited by Charley Downing; 07-25-2011 at 10:56 AM.

07-26-2011, 04:18 PM	#5
Tom Goldman VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Allentown,PA Posts: 2,476 Likes: 889 Liked 882 Times in 236 Posts	Re: What would your Div director do ? Tree problems seem to be a issue at National Trail. At last years Div. race ,the tree had a problem with 1 lamp not working on the left lane. They finally replaced the tree with one they "borrowed" from Indy. That one had the lamps in the right lane facing everywhere but the racer ! Jay did'nt see a problem with that either. __________________ Tom Goldman 1500 SG , 1506 STK

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Mickey Whaley VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,220 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: What would your Div director do ? Beard is right!

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Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 667 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: What would your Div director do ? Beard is right! Jim . __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association. Last edited by Jim Wahl; 07-25-2011 at 12:09 PM.

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Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: What would your Div director do ? Re-run either way. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

07-25-2011, 12:19 PM	#10
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: What would your Div director do ? Seems that the cold hard fact of a Malfunction should be the deciding factor. A good light, a bad light, a "relatively" good light wouldnt seem to matter. Re Run would seem in order on the basis of Malfunction unrelated to "subjective" evaluation of et, rx etc. Micheal, it shouldnt have been up to him to "want " a rerun. Tower should have ruled based on what happened with the tree, nothing more. Last edited by Dick Butler; 07-25-2011 at 12:22 PM.