national record set but too fast

highland1 · 10-22-2012, 08:47 PM

I've seen a racer claim to have set a national record, but disallowed for being too fast.

http://forums.performanceyears.com/f....php?p=4761122

What am I missing?

Perhaps the entire field was too fast?

Ed Wright · 10-22-2012, 08:53 PM

That would make the second pass the new record, but the first pass was not close enough (within 1%) of the second (faster of the two) for a back up.

Dennis P Chapman · 10-22-2012, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

That would make the second pass the new record, but the first pass was not close enough (within 1%) of the second (faster of the two) for a back up.

x2 that happen to me but still got the record.

Ed Wright · 10-22-2012, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dennis P Chapman

x2 that happen to me but still got the record.

Happened to me once too. Was relieved I didn't get it. Didn't try to back it up. We ran off the records back then. :-)

highland1 · 10-22-2012, 09:06 PM

Thanks.
Interesting Rule!

So it takes at least two passes within 1% of each other to beat a record. Is this standard across classes?

The guy said most of the other racers were much faster also, so maybe a big shift in conditions/DA from when their first passes were made.
Maybe other racers ran faster than the old record also?

Crew Chief · 10-22-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by highland1

Thanks.
Interesting Rule!

So it takes at least two passes within 1% of each other to beat a record. Is this standard across classes?

The guy said most of the other racers were much faster also, so maybe a big shift in conditions/DA from when their first passes were made.
Maybe other racers ran faster than the old record also?

Applied only to Stock and S/S...just because a racer is faster than the record does not means he automatically sets the record. If a racer wants to attempt setting a record he puts a big R on the window and pulls into the record lanes. He then must make two runs within 1% of each other, one of which must beat the existing record. If both runs are quicker than the existing record but are farther than 1% apart, the faster run will back up the slower run and that slower run becomes the record.

highland1 · 10-22-2012, 11:20 PM

That sounds very sensible.
I know that land speed records take an average of two runs always.

Do many or most of stock and SS record attempts fail because of the 1% rule??

Any cost to try?

I guess we cannot see a history of these NHRA record attempts?

NewHemi · 10-23-2012, 02:18 AM

The cost? A tear down. And enough white marker to make an R on front and rear window, with a circle around it.

Due to the schedule last year in Las Vegas, we actually tore down before we even ran once. There just wouldn't have been enough time to do it during the runs. So we did the teardown first, and the engine was sealed.

Then we went out and got the record with two runs.

Another driver behind us in line decided that he could could run for the record too, so he put the R on his car, and tried. He spun and missed on his first run, so it wasn't an issue, but I was wondering when he thought that he would tear down.

We haven't run a lot this year, maybe eight or so races, but my engine is still sealed up.

David
The New Hemi Guy

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highland1 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 3 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	national record set but too fast I've seen a racer claim to have set a national record, but disallowed for being too fast. http://forums.performanceyears.com/f....php?p=4761122 What am I missing? Perhaps the entire field was too fast?

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Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: national record set but too fast That would make the second pass the new record, but the first pass was not close enough (within 1%) of the second (faster of the two) for a back up. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

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highland1 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 3 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: national record set but too fast Thanks. Interesting Rule! So it takes at least two passes within 1% of each other to beat a record. Is this standard across classes? The guy said most of the other racers were much faster also, so maybe a big shift in conditions/DA from when their first passes were made. Maybe other racers ran faster than the old record also?

10-22-2012, 11:20 PM	#7
highland1 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 3 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: national record set but too fast That sounds very sensible. I know that land speed records take an average of two runs always. Do many or most of stock and SS record attempts fail because of the 1% rule?? Any cost to try? I guess we cannot see a history of these NHRA record attempts?

10-23-2012, 02:18 AM	#8
NewHemi Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 472 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: national record set but too fast The cost? A tear down. And enough white marker to make an R on front and rear window, with a circle around it. Due to the schedule last year in Las Vegas, we actually tore down before we even ran once. There just wouldn't have been enough time to do it during the runs. So we did the teardown first, and the engine was sealed. Then we went out and got the record with two runs. Another driver behind us in line decided that he could could run for the record too, so he put the R on his car, and tried. He spun and missed on his first run, so it wasn't an issue, but I was wondering when he thought that he would tear down. We haven't run a lot this year, maybe eight or so races, but my engine is still sealed up. David The New Hemi Guy Last edited by NewHemi; 10-23-2012 at 02:21 AM.