Econo Modified

randy wilson · 12-28-2013, 01:45 PM

Let's move here, and let the vettes have their's back. It will only be serious, if the sanctioning bodies take it seriously. The autos are involved because we would need the car counts. I think with the tiny wt. break we give them, they are, in my opinion, at a disadvantage, and will soon change to a stick. But, then again, I don't know the potential of a new auto. And, also, if this ever comes about, I would not rush the start date. If they would give it a full year to sink in before a start date, with say, a 3 year locked in plan, it would boom. No one will even buy a set of heads on a whim. We have a guy coming in 2 weeks to look at our cobalt turn key, and it may leave with him. I personally will not complete my deuce for competition unless this takes off. I will retire. BUT, if it takes off, I'm all in. I still will let out any of two spec motors, a 289, and or a 322, for ANy competent SS guy, for a demo. I just won't finish a car for it, unless it's a go.

Dick Butler · 12-28-2013, 02:09 PM

Thanks for the new thread. We needed to accentuate Econo so more see the goal. First they need to give an index. Maybe see which current Mod SS class one would fit as a place to go if someone got involved.

randy wilson · 12-28-2013, 02:27 PM

I think I can help with an index from just shooting from the hip. I'd say at 9 lbs. per cube, you will see some 9.40's to 9.50's. So say, 10 flat. I may be wrong, but at 10.5 lbs. we went some 9.90's. But that was with a modern car, and a star vac pump.

Ed Wright · 12-28-2013, 03:48 PM

Automatic 11lb SS cars with all the restrictions go high nines. My wife could make a 9lb SM car go 10 flat. LOL

randy wilson · 12-28-2013, 06:34 PM

Ya but Ed, you may be smarter then I. I ran a 10.5 lb. spec car for 2 years, and went 6.29 in the 1\8th at 109.67. At 10 lbs. with a 291 iron head bowtie, that we ran in SS/CS at 10.5 lbs. we went 6.06 at 114.96 at the same track.That's all I have to go on. Most, not all, but most SS\BS cars run 9.0's, to 8.80's. I think the heads, with a 3,000 # min. at 9#, will be in the 9.40's to start. Just a guess. It ain't hard to reduce the index. It only takes an ink pen. Big difference berween a spec head, and a 15 degree chevy. Also, 10 flat is just the index. If they're like the other super stockers, and run 1.5 under, they'll be running 8.50's.

Nitro Joe Jackson · 12-30-2013, 12:29 PM

this has been tried so many times before and came up goose eggs, but have fun posting all winter as it will never happen, trust me.

vette1 · 01-01-2014, 02:37 PM

Randy I messaged Competition Plus. They just did a piece on Modified. I email them telling what was going on. harleynsc@ aol.com messaged me back . May be able to help out. Vette1

jim powers · 01-01-2014, 02:47 PM

i am with you Nitro Joe, not a chance in hell this will EVER come about

Ed Wright · 01-01-2014, 03:07 PM

Just something to B.S. about in the off season. I don't see it ever happening.

Dick Butler · 01-01-2014, 03:09 PM

Joe and Jim, Thanks for your comment does that mean you dont WANT it to happen? If you just dont believe it can happen I appreciate your one time thought. If you think it a good idea to cut the costs of SS or Stock racing in 1/2 or more then maybe you should at least add your positive input as support for those racers who cannot compete with COPO cars or BLOWN MUSTANGS tuned by the factory on a heads up basis. If drag racing should be about everyone having a class (as NHRA and others) offer then a Cheap class wouldnt hurt. It might even help.... just saying....

12-28-2013, 01:45 PM	#1
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Econo Modified Let's move here, and let the vettes have their's back. It will only be serious, if the sanctioning bodies take it seriously. The autos are involved because we would need the car counts. I think with the tiny wt. break we give them, they are, in my opinion, at a disadvantage, and will soon change to a stick. But, then again, I don't know the potential of a new auto. And, also, if this ever comes about, I would not rush the start date. If they would give it a full year to sink in before a start date, with say, a 3 year locked in plan, it would boom. No one will even buy a set of heads on a whim. We have a guy coming in 2 weeks to look at our cobalt turn key, and it may leave with him. I personally will not complete my deuce for competition unless this takes off. I will retire. BUT, if it takes off, I'm all in. I still will let out any of two spec motors, a 289, and or a 322, for ANy competent SS guy, for a demo. I just won't finish a car for it, unless it's a go. __________________ don,t have one

12-28-2013, 02:09 PM	#2
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Econo Modified Thanks for the new thread. We needed to accentuate Econo so more see the goal. First they need to give an index. Maybe see which current Mod SS class one would fit as a place to go if someone got involved.

12-28-2013, 02:27 PM	#3
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Econo Modified I think I can help with an index from just shooting from the hip. I'd say at 9 lbs. per cube, you will see some 9.40's to 9.50's. So say, 10 flat. I may be wrong, but at 10.5 lbs. we went some 9.90's. But that was with a modern car, and a star vac pump. __________________ don,t have one

12-28-2013, 03:48 PM	#4
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Econo Modified Automatic 11lb SS cars with all the restrictions go high nines. My wife could make a 9lb SM car go 10 flat. LOL __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

12-28-2013, 06:34 PM	#5
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Econo Modified Ya but Ed, you may be smarter then I. I ran a 10.5 lb. spec car for 2 years, and went 6.29 in the 1\8th at 109.67. At 10 lbs. with a 291 iron head bowtie, that we ran in SS/CS at 10.5 lbs. we went 6.06 at 114.96 at the same track.That's all I have to go on. Most, not all, but most SS\BS cars run 9.0's, to 8.80's. I think the heads, with a 3,000 # min. at 9#, will be in the 9.40's to start. Just a guess. It ain't hard to reduce the index. It only takes an ink pen. Big difference berween a spec head, and a 15 degree chevy. Also, 10 flat is just the index. If they're like the other super stockers, and run 1.5 under, they'll be running 8.50's. __________________ don,t have one Last edited by randy wilson; 12-28-2013 at 06:39 PM.

12-30-2013, 12:29 PM	#6
Nitro Joe Jackson VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Loudonville, Ohio or where ever the Nitro Lounge is parked Posts: 2,293 Likes: 57 Liked 67 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Econo Modified this has been tried so many times before and came up goose eggs, but have fun posting all winter as it will never happen, trust me. __________________ Nitro Joe Jackson STK 3431 nitrojoe@neo.rr.com

01-01-2014, 02:37 PM	#7
vette1 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Richwood WV Posts: 68 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Econo Modified Randy I messaged Competition Plus. They just did a piece on Modified. I email them telling what was going on. harleynsc@ aol.com messaged me back . May be able to help out. Vette1

01-01-2014, 02:47 PM	#8
jim powers Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: manville nj Posts: 358 Likes: 198 Liked 13 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Econo Modified i am with you Nitro Joe, not a chance in hell this will EVER come about

01-01-2014, 03:07 PM	#9
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Econo Modified Just something to B.S. about in the off season. I don't see it ever happening. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

01-01-2014, 03:09 PM	#10
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Econo Modified Joe and Jim, Thanks for your comment does that mean you dont WANT it to happen? If you just dont believe it can happen I appreciate your one time thought. If you think it a good idea to cut the costs of SS or Stock racing in 1/2 or more then maybe you should at least add your positive input as support for those racers who cannot compete with COPO cars or BLOWN MUSTANGS tuned by the factory on a heads up basis. If drag racing should be about everyone having a class (as NHRA and others) offer then a Cheap class wouldnt hurt. It might even help.... just saying....