New 2015 SS/GT rules ?

Mike Carr · 11-20-2014, 04:16 PM

Does anyone have an answer, in regard to the new Classes within Super Stock GT ?

SECTION 11B: SUPER STOCK/GT, DESIGNATIONS, (Page 10) FGT/A,FGT/B,FGT/C,FGT/D,FGT/E,FGT/F,FGT/G,FGT/H,FGT/I,FGT/J

2008 and newer Chevrolet COPO, Dodge Drag Pak, and Ford Cobra Jet or their engine combinations (automatic and manual) restricted to FGT/A through FGT/J.

So, if you apply the rule, as written, if I have a 2014 Camaro and take out the 427 and put in, say, a 1970 or 1995 LT-1 motor, I still have to run the F/GT class because the CAR is a new model ?

SS480 · 11-20-2014, 04:46 PM

Yes, that is correct.

Steve Stickel · 11-20-2014, 05:56 PM

"or their engine combinations (automatic and manual) restricted to FGT/A through FGT/J."

Interesting,
So conversely, I'll use this as an example, 2010 352CJ in a 94 Mustang GT is what? FGT Or Regular GT?

Jeff Teuton · 11-20-2014, 06:09 PM

FGT. Any combo new anything body or motor, or if you got new shoes or socks, except the 2008 and newer Jelly Beans (Cobalts etc) seem to be exempt. Really bad math on this. Affects 16 GT cars with new bodies, or new motors, or both out of about 350 to 400 GT cars. I guess we will have diversity like Comp. That is working well.

Michael Beard · 11-20-2014, 06:10 PM

It was probably intended to read as 'body/engine combo or engine', but could use clarification.

It would be nice if they posted the indexes for all the new classes that they announced in October. I e-mailed the tech department.

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Really bad math on this. Affects 16 GT cars with new bodies, or new motors, or both out of about 350 to 400 GT cars.

'Course if they were factored in the right zip code, they wouldn't need to be separate.

Travis Miller · 11-20-2014, 06:23 PM

Not every 2008 and newer car falls into the factory built racecar category. The new F/GT rules apply to the Camaro COPO, Ford Cobra Jet, and the Dodge Drag Pak and/or their engine.

As an example, a 2010 Camaro SS was sold new as a street car that can be licensed. Its shipping weight is 3780 with an automatic. The engine is a LS style with 376 cubic inches rated at 400 horsepower. If used for GT, this body or engine would fall into regular SS/GT classes.

A newer Camaro COPO body or engine was not sold as a vehicle that could be licensed for the street. Both the COPO body or engine would put a car into the F/GT classes.

The same applies to the Ford Cobra Jet and Dodge Drag Pak body or engine. A 2010 352CJ engine puts it into F/GT.

The Camaro COPO, Ford Cobra Jet, and Dodge Drag Pak are listed as so in the NHRA classguide. Some other models of 2008 and newer cars that are not factory racecars are also listed in the classguide.

Bob Sherwood · 11-20-2014, 09:51 PM

Travis will the copo,c-jet,and drag-pak cars and engine combos have new hp ratings for GT ?

Jeff Teuton · 11-20-2014, 11:50 PM

No hp changes for the new GT cars. FGT/A will have the same index as GT/A which lowers the index .05 for the automatic cars. At least that is my understanding. So my 70 Duster (44 years old) with a 360 motor which was introduced in 1971 runs FGT/something or other. Any other 360 motor is in GT. Heads are different. But folks, this is SS, do what you want, just pore right. Both are Edlebrock knock offs with a Mopar casting #. It will be real nice to have your very own class to run in. I will wait for Nitro Joe's final edition to see who is going fast. This is about who NHRA thinks can go fast vs. who actually went fast during the year. I think we have 84 classes, and after this we have 107. I might be a little off on that, but very close.

Bob Sherwood · 11-21-2014, 01:36 AM

If there is no HP changes or index changes for the F/GT classes and you can run an old motor in the new cars or a new motor in the old cars what was gained???

Michael Beard · 11-21-2014, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

FGT/A will have the same index as GT/A which lowers the index .05 for the automatic cars.

Where is that listed? The difference between GT/A and GT/AA is .10. If that is the case FGT/H would be 10.85 instead of GT/HA's 11.05... a .20 hit while someone else gets .10? FGT/I gets hit .25 from GT/IA? Glad I spent a bunch of money on the car last month... I'll take my .20. How about the fast guys get .20 too?

As always, if they'd just factor the cars, they wouldn't need new classes in the first place. That being said, I like the idea of sticks & autos running together. Maybe this is a trial balloon for the traditional classes down the road.

Regardless, why haven't they just simply posted the indexes nearly a month after announcing the classes? They should give some consideration to people that may need to upgrade or modify their cars if they have to switch classes -- things which take time and money.

11-20-2014, 04:16 PM	#1
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	New 2015 SS/GT rules ? Does anyone have an answer, in regard to the new Classes within Super Stock GT ? SECTION 11B: SUPER STOCK/GT, DESIGNATIONS, (Page 10) FGT/A,FGT/B,FGT/C,FGT/D,FGT/E,FGT/F,FGT/G,FGT/H,FGT/I,FGT/J 2008 and newer Chevrolet COPO, Dodge Drag Pak, and Ford Cobra Jet or their engine combinations (automatic and manual) restricted to FGT/A through FGT/J. So, if you apply the rule, as written, if I have a 2014 Camaro and take out the 427 and put in, say, a 1970 or 1995 LT-1 motor, I still have to run the F/GT class because the CAR is a new model ? __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

11-20-2014, 04:46 PM	#2
SS480 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 22 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: New 2015 SS/GT rules ? Yes, that is correct.

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Steve Stickel Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: South Coast, Massachusetts Posts: 146 Likes: 160 Liked 50 Times in 23 Posts	Re: New 2015 SS/GT rules ? "or their engine combinations (automatic and manual) restricted to FGT/A through FGT/J." Interesting, So conversely, I'll use this as an example, 2010 352CJ in a 94 Mustang GT is what? FGT Or Regular GT? __________________ Steve Stickel 1161 Stk 1167 SS

11-20-2014, 06:09 PM	#4
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: New 2015 SS/GT rules ? FGT. Any combo new anything body or motor, or if you got new shoes or socks, except the 2008 and newer Jelly Beans (Cobalts etc) seem to be exempt. Really bad math on this. Affects 16 GT cars with new bodies, or new motors, or both out of about 350 to 400 GT cars. I guess we will have diversity like Comp. That is working well. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

11-20-2014, 06:23 PM	#6
Travis Miller Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 478 Likes: 1 Liked 276 Times in 27 Posts	Re: New 2015 SS/GT rules ? Not every 2008 and newer car falls into the factory built racecar category. The new F/GT rules apply to the Camaro COPO, Ford Cobra Jet, and the Dodge Drag Pak and/or their engine. As an example, a 2010 Camaro SS was sold new as a street car that can be licensed. Its shipping weight is 3780 with an automatic. The engine is a LS style with 376 cubic inches rated at 400 horsepower. If used for GT, this body or engine would fall into regular SS/GT classes. A newer Camaro COPO body or engine was not sold as a vehicle that could be licensed for the street. Both the COPO body or engine would put a car into the F/GT classes. The same applies to the Ford Cobra Jet and Dodge Drag Pak body or engine. A 2010 352CJ engine puts it into F/GT. The Camaro COPO, Ford Cobra Jet, and Dodge Drag Pak are listed as so in the NHRA classguide. Some other models of 2008 and newer cars that are not factory racecars are also listed in the classguide.

11-20-2014, 09:51 PM	#7
Bob Sherwood Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: South Dakota Posts: 153 Likes: 70 Liked 388 Times in 60 Posts	Re: New 2015 SS/GT rules ? Travis will the copo,c-jet,and drag-pak cars and engine combos have new hp ratings for GT ?

11-20-2014, 11:50 PM	#8
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: New 2015 SS/GT rules ? No hp changes for the new GT cars. FGT/A will have the same index as GT/A which lowers the index .05 for the automatic cars. At least that is my understanding. So my 70 Duster (44 years old) with a 360 motor which was introduced in 1971 runs FGT/something or other. Any other 360 motor is in GT. Heads are different. But folks, this is SS, do what you want, just pore right. Both are Edlebrock knock offs with a Mopar casting #. It will be real nice to have your very own class to run in. I will wait for Nitro Joe's final edition to see who is going fast. This is about who NHRA thinks can go fast vs. who actually went fast during the year. I think we have 84 classes, and after this we have 107. I might be a little off on that, but very close. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK Last edited by Jeff Teuton; 11-21-2014 at 12:10 AM.

11-21-2014, 01:36 AM	#9
Bob Sherwood Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: South Dakota Posts: 153 Likes: 70 Liked 388 Times in 60 Posts	Re: New 2015 SS/GT rules ? If there is no HP changes or index changes for the F/GT classes and you can run an old motor in the new cars or a new motor in the old cars what was gained???