Stockers....buttons.....check This Out

jdfpam · 09-11-2007, 01:41 PM

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Further use of buttons questioned in Stock eliminator

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9/10/2007

In July of this year, the NHRA Tech Department stated that it would begin the process of reviewing and considering only selected mechanical-type buttons for use in Super Stock and Comp Eliminator. While NHRA will soon release finalized acceptance parameters for the mechanical buttons, the use of any such buttons in Stock eliminator is now under review.

After NHRA announced its intent to restrict the use of buttons to only selected mechanical types in Super Stock and Comp Eliminator, many Stock category racers have voiced their opinions to do away with the two-step button in Stock completely or permit the use of a two step button activated by the clutch or break pedal only. Therefore, the NHRA Tech Department is asking current Stock Eliminator racers to submit their opinions on the following issues:

1- Eliminate the use of buttons and two-steps in Stock Eliminator

2- Allow the use of buttons and two-steps as pedal activated only

An approved button would still be permitted in either case for use with NHRA acceptable line-locks only.

Racers are asked to submit their opinions to racerinput@nhra.com.

JEFF DAY
3731

Bruce Witherspoon · 09-11-2007, 08:50 PM

Thanks for the heads up. I am happy to have a chance to voice my opinion finally!

Jeff Teuton · 09-11-2007, 09:06 PM

The one thing I can't really follow on the two step is that you can only have a line lock on the front brakes ( or rear of a fwd) and not on both. I have run a two step for years ( 3 carbs really a problem tuning) and there is no way I could ever hold the car at the line while wide open on the two step with only the front brakes. I have had two steps on my trucks when I ran them, on my Top Stock cars and none them could we hold at the line without the brakes jammed to the floor just hold the car at the line. Easy enough to check brake lines. I must be missing something here. I'm sure somebody is gonna enlighten me.

Chip THELEGEND Johnson · 09-11-2007, 09:38 PM

Jeff,
I know for a fact with a low RPM chip and a real loose convertor you can do it with a chevy. Back in the late 80's and early 90's we delay box raced that way.

I also heard IHRA was checking for the 2step linelock tie in at the last couple of races and found several that were cheating, including one racer that had just won a divisional. They were told to fix it and if caught again they would be bounced.

Chip Johnson

Michael Beard · 09-11-2007, 11:01 PM

>> I also heard IHRA was checking for the 2step linelock tie in at the last couple of races and found several that were cheating, including one racer that had just won a divisional.

I KNEW IT! That Myron not only beats women, but he cheats, too!

LOL

Didn't IHRA fuss at a couple of guys about having them tied together a couple of years ago?

Too bad Myron footbrakes, because it'd be fun just to get him riled up.

Oldtimer · 09-11-2007, 11:48 PM

Jeff, Dual rear calipers, MW or Lamb

Myron Piatek · 09-12-2007, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

>>

I KNEW IT! That Myron not only beats women, but he cheats, too!

LOL
Too bad Myron footbrakes, because it'd be fun just to get him riled up.

Less electronics/wiring = less opportunity for "manipulation".

Tommy Gaynor · 09-12-2007, 11:43 AM

How about any button you want and a .500 pro tree.

stockracer · 09-12-2007, 12:17 PM

Tommy....GREAT IDEA...I said it a long time ago! And give the stick cars electro-magnet clutch pedals! Bring back deepstaging for the slow cars...That way nobody will bitch!

Mr. Day...I didnt know that buttons had become such a huge issue in the NBRA...Where was your last NHRA race...(Drag race central doesnt show you, nor autoimagery)

Piatek...Stay on your side of the racing community!

Dual rear calipers wont do any good 2-stepin unless your tryin to hold a car a 4500 rpm, and you deffinatly wont want to stab the brakes with dual rear...You still have to hold the brake pedal...And i was to the understanding that the 2-step couldnt be wired to a line-loc, not even a 2 wheel!

Now all this post is missing is Ed! He can screw anything up!

Sincerely,

Stockracer
(No-name, No-name Punk, No-name Basher, Stock-wannabe-racer, Coward, Benchracer, Speedracers brother, and many more to come Im sure)

Jeff Teuton · 09-12-2007, 12:26 PM

I don't think a line lock is legal on rwd cars on the rear axle. Easy enough to check. Items 4 & 5 under "Brakes" in the rule book in Stock Eliminator.

09-11-2007, 01:41 PM	#1
jdfpam Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 186 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Stockers....buttons.....check This Out HERE IS YOUR CHANCE TO VOTE EVERYONE, BE SURE TO INCLUDE YOUR CAR OR MEMBERSHIP NUMBER!!!!! Further use of buttons questioned in Stock eliminator -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9/10/2007 In July of this year, the NHRA Tech Department stated that it would begin the process of reviewing and considering only selected mechanical-type buttons for use in Super Stock and Comp Eliminator. While NHRA will soon release finalized acceptance parameters for the mechanical buttons, the use of any such buttons in Stock eliminator is now under review. After NHRA announced its intent to restrict the use of buttons to only selected mechanical types in Super Stock and Comp Eliminator, many Stock category racers have voiced their opinions to do away with the two-step button in Stock completely or permit the use of a two step button activated by the clutch or break pedal only. Therefore, the NHRA Tech Department is asking current Stock Eliminator racers to submit their opinions on the following issues: 1- Eliminate the use of buttons and two-steps in Stock Eliminator 2- Allow the use of buttons and two-steps as pedal activated only An approved button would still be permitted in either case for use with NHRA acceptable line-locks only. Racers are asked to submit their opinions to racerinput@nhra.com. JEFF DAY 3731

09-11-2007, 08:50 PM	#2
Bruce Witherspoon Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Charlotte, MI Posts: 127 Likes: 3 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out Thanks for the heads up. I am happy to have a chance to voice my opinion finally!

09-11-2007, 09:06 PM	#3
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out The one thing I can't really follow on the two step is that you can only have a line lock on the front brakes ( or rear of a fwd) and not on both. I have run a two step for years ( 3 carbs really a problem tuning) and there is no way I could ever hold the car at the line while wide open on the two step with only the front brakes. I have had two steps on my trucks when I ran them, on my Top Stock cars and none them could we hold at the line without the brakes jammed to the floor just hold the car at the line. Easy enough to check brake lines. I must be missing something here. I'm sure somebody is gonna enlighten me.

09-11-2007, 09:38 PM	#4
Chip THELEGEND Johnson Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 284 Likes: 223 Liked 281 Times in 79 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out Jeff, I know for a fact with a low RPM chip and a real loose convertor you can do it with a chevy. Back in the late 80's and early 90's we delay box raced that way. I also heard IHRA was checking for the 2step linelock tie in at the last couple of races and found several that were cheating, including one racer that had just won a divisional. They were told to fix it and if caught again they would be bounced. Chip Johnson

09-11-2007, 11:01 PM	#5
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out >> I also heard IHRA was checking for the 2step linelock tie in at the last couple of races and found several that were cheating, including one racer that had just won a divisional. I KNEW IT! That Myron not only beats women, but he cheats, too! LOL Didn't IHRA fuss at a couple of guys about having them tied together a couple of years ago? Too bad Myron footbrakes, because it'd be fun just to get him riled up. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

09-11-2007, 11:48 PM	#6
Oldtimer Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arkansas Posts: 87 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out Jeff, Dual rear calipers, MW or Lamb __________________ Bob Pagano L88BOB@aol.com www.dyainc.org 4033 AA/SA

09-12-2007, 11:43 AM	#8
Tommy Gaynor Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vancouver WA Posts: 253 Likes: 2 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out How about any button you want and a .500 pro tree.

09-12-2007, 12:17 PM	#9
stockracer Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 79 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out Tommy....GREAT IDEA...I said it a long time ago! And give the stick cars electro-magnet clutch pedals! Bring back deepstaging for the slow cars...That way nobody will bitch! Mr. Day...I didnt know that buttons had become such a huge issue in the NBRA...Where was your last NHRA race...(Drag race central doesnt show you, nor autoimagery) Piatek...Stay on your side of the racing community! Dual rear calipers wont do any good 2-stepin unless your tryin to hold a car a 4500 rpm, and you deffinatly wont want to stab the brakes with dual rear...You still have to hold the brake pedal...And i was to the understanding that the 2-step couldnt be wired to a line-loc, not even a 2 wheel! Now all this post is missing is Ed! He can screw anything up! Sincerely, Stockracer (No-name, No-name Punk, No-name Basher, Stock-wannabe-racer, Coward, Benchracer, Speedracers brother, and many more to come Im sure)

09-12-2007, 12:26 PM	#10
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Stockers....buttons.....check This Out I don't think a line lock is legal on rwd cars on the rear axle. Easy enough to check. Items 4 & 5 under "Brakes" in the rule book in Stock Eliminator.