Calif. newspaper article

will prater · 11-08-2007, 08:19 PM

Anyone see this?

http://www.dailybreeze.com/sports/ar...tml?page=1&c=y

thumbprint · 11-08-2007, 08:47 PM

This journalist is a total Idiot and has no clue . For lack of words he's a clueless A s s hole

JRyan · 11-08-2007, 09:02 PM

So whats the problem? Basically everything he said is true. I have been to untold #'s of races as a Sportsman Competitor, and I think the NHRA PRO SHOW is pure BOREDOM too. I only watch ProStock on occassion because Jason Line is a friend. The only point he doesn't see (and NHRA doesn't want him to) is that the SPORTSMAN action (fill - as he aludes) could actually be an exciting part of the show IF NHRA would project it as such instead of hiding it as they tend to do. Otherwise, I guess I'm an idiot too, and I HATE NASCAR.

Jerry

T Hall · 11-08-2007, 10:56 PM

I thought the letter was DEAD ON! I have been saying this for a long time. Our sport is great if you are a participant, not a spectator. I used to be. As a sportsman racer, for myself, I love to watch ALL sportsman classes, but I am bored out of my mind to watch the pros. The average spectator is complete opposite. I hope NHRA brass read that letter.
I especially loved the Wide World of Sports dig! LOL!

T Hall · 11-08-2007, 10:59 PM

By the way... I too, Hate NASCAR.

Chuck Beach · 11-08-2007, 11:01 PM

That would be Nastycar ....

BPotts · 11-08-2007, 11:51 PM

I loved the way he nailed the NHRA for being NASCAR wanna be's with there 'count down to the championship'. I think we have a great sport, but it's kind of like sex. It's better if your a participant.

stockracer · 11-08-2007, 08:50 PM

As pissed off as I wanna be...Hes not that far off. They dont market as well, they do show to much CRAP between rounds, and there arnt as many fans. Where he is wrong is that he doesnt realize hes no different than any other ignorant NASCAR fan that cant under stand the work and budget it takes to get the cars to perform the way they do. What personal agenda does he have aginst NHRA, How does it hurt him? As I read it it felt like someone was kicking me in the pills, but then I began to realize, hes bitchin about some of the same stuff we do!

67camaroracer · 11-10-2007, 04:30 PM

Been to nascar races and the drags. I have to say that in my opinion the circle track crowd is a bunch of drunk idiots that have nothing in common with fellow drivers. Honestly, what the hell are you going to take home with you from a race at Pocono. A slanted eye and a hangover. You can't see anything and even a so called pit pass puts you behind some huge fence to get within 30 feet of a car. I happen to like both forms of racing but i can't tell you how many times i learned something from an NHRA event. Everyone i talk to is knowledgable about race cars and totally approachable. One more thing about the NHRA, Plenty of guts and NO glory and it's fine by me.

David

bill dedman · 11-11-2007, 12:55 AM

The guy who wrote that article is a case in point regarding the very reason that NHRA drag racing will never approach the popularity of NASCAR.

In order to enjoy drag racing, you need to know something about cars... In order to enjoy NASCAR racing, you only need to know who's driving, because the cookie-cutter cars are so much alike that it doesn't really matter which driver is in which car, and with the advent of the spec "Car of Tomorrow," it's about to get worse.

You can't really enjoy handicapped racing unless you have at least SOME understanding of breakouts and the REASON one car leaves first. Let alone, why two otherwise identical cars leave the line at separate times, just because one is an automatic. The sheer number of classes and humongous variety of cars (Stocker Pinto wagon vs. A/SA Hemi Barracuda), and types of cars (4-cylinder turbo Altered vs sbc/FED (nostalgia car) in Comp, running for the same pot is not easy to rationally explain to a novice fan.

The fact is, (and I'm not insulting anybody here; just a fact) a low-grade moron can figure out the winner in a NASCAR race; you have to KNOW something to appreciate the multitude of significant aspects in a drag race, and determine why the second car to get there WON..

REAL drag fans are, I believe, way more knowledgeable about their chosen sport thn any of the circle track types, just because it's necessary to have a certain amount of information in your head to fully appreciate the nuances of a wheelstanding Super Stocker than some dumbed-down roundy-round car that is EXACTLY like the 15 others traveling the circle, with him.

I'm not talking about the quality of the race mechanics; I know that the NASCAR techs get an amazing amount of power out of very little, make it last for 500 miles at 8+ grand, and make it get acceptable gas mileage, all the while.... This is about the fans; not the mechanics.

The circle track main race has ONE WINNER, traditionally...

NHRA racing has a lot of winners... Very confusing for the fans.

I'm not at all sure that trying to make drag racing "big business" was ever a very good idea, anyway.
Maybe SCCA had the right idea all along... I know that drag racing back in the '50s was a lot more fun than it is, now...

11-08-2007, 08:19 PM	#1
will prater Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Carthage, MO Posts: 108 Likes: 2 Liked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Calif. newspaper article Anyone see this? http://www.dailybreeze.com/sports/ar...tml?page=1&c=y

11-08-2007, 08:47 PM	#2
thumbprint Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: N.Myrtle Beach SC. Posts: 109 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Calif. newspaper article This journalist is a total Idiot and has no clue . For lack of words he's a clueless A s s hole

11-08-2007, 09:02 PM	#3
JRyan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aberdeen SD Posts: 645 Likes: 30 Liked 112 Times in 31 Posts	Re: Calif. newspaper article So whats the problem? Basically everything he said is true. I have been to untold #'s of races as a Sportsman Competitor, and I think the NHRA PRO SHOW is pure BOREDOM too. I only watch ProStock on occassion because Jason Line is a friend. The only point he doesn't see (and NHRA doesn't want him to) is that the SPORTSMAN action (fill - as he aludes) could actually be an exciting part of the show IF NHRA would project it as such instead of hiding it as they tend to do. Otherwise, I guess I'm an idiot too, and I HATE NASCAR. Jerry

11-08-2007, 10:56 PM	#4
T Hall Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Columbus,Ohio Posts: 390 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Calif. newspaper article I thought the letter was DEAD ON! I have been saying this for a long time. Our sport is great if you are a participant, not a spectator. I used to be. As a sportsman racer, for myself, I love to watch ALL sportsman classes, but I am bored out of my mind to watch the pros. The average spectator is complete opposite. I hope NHRA brass read that letter. I especially loved the Wide World of Sports dig! LOL!

11-08-2007, 10:59 PM	#5
T Hall Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Columbus,Ohio Posts: 390 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Calif. newspaper article By the way... I too, Hate NASCAR.

11-08-2007, 11:01 PM	#6
Chuck Beach Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Delaware, Ohio Posts: 664 Likes: 12 Liked 58 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Calif. newspaper article That would be Nastycar .... __________________ Chuck Beach 3340 STK

11-08-2007, 11:51 PM	#7
BPotts Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Alpharetta, GA Posts: 84 Likes: 32 Liked 14 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Calif. newspaper article I loved the way he nailed the NHRA for being NASCAR wanna be's with there 'count down to the championship'. I think we have a great sport, but it's kind of like sex. It's better if your a participant.

11-08-2007, 08:50 PM	#8
stockracer Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 79 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Calif. newspaper article As pissed off as I wanna be...Hes not that far off. They dont market as well, they do show to much CRAP between rounds, and there arnt as many fans. Where he is wrong is that he doesnt realize hes no different than any other ignorant NASCAR fan that cant under stand the work and budget it takes to get the cars to perform the way they do. What personal agenda does he have aginst NHRA, How does it hurt him? As I read it it felt like someone was kicking me in the pills, but then I began to realize, hes bitchin about some of the same stuff we do!

11-10-2007, 04:30 PM	#9
67camaroracer Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ct Posts: 32 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Calif. newspaper article Been to nascar races and the drags. I have to say that in my opinion the circle track crowd is a bunch of drunk idiots that have nothing in common with fellow drivers. Honestly, what the hell are you going to take home with you from a race at Pocono. A slanted eye and a hangover. You can't see anything and even a so called pit pass puts you behind some huge fence to get within 30 feet of a car. I happen to like both forms of racing but i can't tell you how many times i learned something from an NHRA event. Everyone i talk to is knowledgable about race cars and totally approachable. One more thing about the NHRA, Plenty of guts and NO glory and it's fine by me. David

11-11-2007, 12:55 AM	#10
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Calif. newspaper article The guy who wrote that article is a case in point regarding the very reason that NHRA drag racing will never approach the popularity of NASCAR. In order to enjoy drag racing, you need to know something about cars... In order to enjoy NASCAR racing, you only need to know who's driving, because the cookie-cutter cars are so much alike that it doesn't really matter which driver is in which car, and with the advent of the spec "Car of Tomorrow," it's about to get worse. You can't really enjoy handicapped racing unless you have at least SOME understanding of breakouts and the REASON one car leaves first. Let alone, why two otherwise identical cars leave the line at separate times, just because one is an automatic. The sheer number of classes and humongous variety of cars (Stocker Pinto wagon vs. A/SA Hemi Barracuda), and types of cars (4-cylinder turbo Altered vs sbc/FED (nostalgia car) in Comp, running for the same pot is not easy to rationally explain to a novice fan. The fact is, (and I'm not insulting anybody here; just a fact) a low-grade moron can figure out the winner in a NASCAR race; you have to KNOW something to appreciate the multitude of significant aspects in a drag race, and determine why the second car to get there WON.. REAL drag fans are, I believe, way more knowledgeable about their chosen sport thn any of the circle track types, just because it's necessary to have a certain amount of information in your head to fully appreciate the nuances of a wheelstanding Super Stocker than some dumbed-down roundy-round car that is EXACTLY like the 15 others traveling the circle, with him. I'm not talking about the quality of the race mechanics; I know that the NASCAR techs get an amazing amount of power out of very little, make it last for 500 miles at 8+ grand, and make it get acceptable gas mileage, all the while.... This is about the fans; not the mechanics. The circle track main race has ONE WINNER, traditionally... NHRA racing has a lot of winners... Very confusing for the fans. I'm not at all sure that trying to make drag racing "big business" was ever a very good idea, anyway. Maybe SCCA had the right idea all along... I know that drag racing back in the '50s was a lot more fun than it is, now... __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 11-11-2007 at 03:06 PM. Reason: misspellings...