Protests

[GUMP]

After hearing about the protested crankshaft at Indy, I have been thinking about it a good bit. I think that it is time for the teardown rules to be updated.

1. You should have to be at the race to protest.

2. If you protest a part, you should have to tear down to prove that you are legal too.

3. The tear down fees need to be raised to match dealership hourly rates and parts prices.

[Chuck Beuthel]

Does anyone know where to find a list of the minimum legal weights for approved crankshafts for stock eliminator?

[J.R. Haddad]

Chuck, I would check with the gentleman(#@$%&) that protested you.
It would seem he has a handle on crankshaft weights. And to add to
Gump's list, the protester must be identified.

J.R.

[James Perrone]

Why as the protester should you have to tear down?
They are paying for the info
And how is it possible to protest someone without being on the property
Don’t you have to put up the $ and complaint?

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

Why as the protester should you have to tear down?
They are paying for the info
And how is it possible to protest someone without being on the property
Don’t you have to put up the $ and complaint?

It is my opinion that, if you feel that an opponent has something illegal going on, you should also prove that you don't.

If both have to teardown, it will stop someone raiding their piggy bank just to mess with another competitor.

Does anyone know a good automotive repair shop that will pull a crank and put everything back for $750.00?

[Jim Hawkins]

Do you have to be in the same individual class as the car you protest? In Beuthel's case F/SA or just be in stock eliminator?
Seems like you should be in the same class otherwise anyone there with 750.00 to blow could do it just to be a jerk.

[Charlie Yannetti]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

Why as the protester should you have to tear down?
They are paying for the info
And how is it possible to protest someone without being on the property
Don’t you have to put up the $ and complaint?

I have been shouting for several years now that if one files a protest, fees need to be paid at the time of the filing.. there also needs to be a document created, and filled out by the protester, stating the supposed infractions.. this form should include the protester's name, and NHRA membership number should be required.. as well as proof that the required fees have been paid.. ANNDDDDD, no protests can be filed via cellphone.. if you at there, YOU AIN'T!!.. making a call, then putting fees on a credit card, is bogus.. IN REAL LIFE, everyone has the right to face their accuser..

Didn't someone pull this stunt during the Gators, complaining about someone's firewall while not even being in the same State??.. is this the same guy??.. asking for a friend..

I'm not sure about the protester being torn down, just for being the protester, BUT, I'm sure there just might be that move as retaliation.. JUST SAYIN'..

[Brett C]

We got protested at Indy a few years ago after SS class eliminations were complete and had to report to the barn. All went fine and the trophy stayed in our hands. The NHRA rule book states that a formal protest does need to be prior to any eliminations. It is Indy though. I do agree that any form of protest should never be anonymous.

[james schaechter]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

Why as the protester should you have to tear down?
They are paying for the info
And how is it possible to protest someone without being on the property
Don’t you have to put up the $ and complaint?

I agree. I do think some of the protests are just to aggravate the other racer. As a person that has gone through numerous teardowns for free, I would be happy to get paid.

One thing of note here. NHRA is not supporting their own governance when it comes to teardown.

This lands squarely on the non racer bean counter mentality of NHRA leadership.

It is possible that we see a few more protests only because some competitors know NHRA will not impose teardown and the incentive to set records is greatly reduced.

I predict that NHRA won’t want to do protest teardowns either so they will suppress this with a rule change.

Soon, the only tech allowed by leadership will be akin to handing out parking tickets and fines In the staging lanes.

There is no succession planning for the tech crews at a divisional level when it comes to stock and Superstock. The capable crews they have are stifled by poor management at NHRA. On top of that, at some point they will retire with no trained replacements.

If we at least had the significant teardowns at Indy and some random teardown light events, there would be more compliance overall.

[Nick Heath]

Originally Posted by james schaechter

I agree. I do think some of the protests are just to aggravate the other racer. As a person that has gone through numerous teardowns for free, I would be happy to get paid.

One thing of note here. NHRA is not supporting their own governance when it comes to teardown.

This lands squarely on the non racer bean counter mentality of NHRA leadership.

It is possible that we see a few more protests only because some competitors know NHRA will not impose teardown and the incentive to set records is greatly reduced.

I predict that NHRA won’t want to do protest teardowns either so they will suppress this with a rule change.

Soon, the only tech allowed by leadership will be akin to handing out parking tickets and fines In the staging lanes.

There is no succession planning for the tech crews at a divisional level when it comes to stock and Superstock. The capable crews they have are stifled by poor management at NHRA. On top of that, at some point they will retire with no trained replacements.

If we at least had the significant teardowns at Indy and some random teardown light events, there would be more compliance overall.

Once again, Mr. Schaechter absolutely nails it, to the point where the "Like" button doesn't do it justice.