Pro funny stock - Page 4

buzzinhalfdozen · 02-09-2009, 02:18 PM

Todays pro-stock cars bear basically NO resemblence to the vehicle their supposed to represent.That's not to say they can't but they already had that class, the "imports" front wheel drive 4-5-6 cyls. with "hair dryers" on them, I believe I've heard that class no longer exists. People don't really care that the Cobalt prostocker doesn't look like theirs sitting in their driveway, they are there to watch the heads up racing that they can somehow identify with because they announced " the Cobalt versus the GXP". When you tell people something long enough they WILL start to believe it even if they know it's not real. As far as the $ figures being thrown around, Yes racers being racers I'm sure many would look for some sort of way to gain an advantage no matter what the cost.The santioning bodies would have to issue strict specs for what could be used, which properly done would probably wind up saving most teams money in the end. I've never heard any numbers on what a team spends just on carbs but I'm sure it's quite high. As for the hood scoops what the heck Detoits been putting them on cars for years, yes not as big and mostly not functional but still a way of saying factory muscle, as with most things the racers have pushed it to it's limits. Don't like the scoops.... race Stock. Joe

Ed Wright · 02-09-2009, 02:40 PM

I'm with you, Joe. In what other heads-up catory is racing that close? To contain costs NHRA would simply have to have an aproved list of ECUs, just like they do the MSD boxes. They could also, if they think somebody has modified one, do what they did the MSD boxes. They would bring one to the racer and require them to swap units with them. As close as Pro Stock racing is now, why would they want to change it?

Pantera EFI · 02-10-2009, 09:43 PM

First, the list of "approved" EMS should have price CAP of $2,000.00 USD MAX.
A rule is needed for ALL cars in current racing, today !
A "clamer" rule could work here with each "cal" erased.

A well calibrated engine will last longer, run cleaner.

This effect can REDUCE to cost of racing, a truth found by "off-road" racers.

Lance

Ed Wright · 02-10-2009, 10:08 PM

And, my friend Mike Edwards was runner-up tonight. Good job Mike!!

Steve Mtt · 02-11-2009, 04:52 PM

I would love to see to them moving towards the newer technology, fuel injection, dual over head cam 4v heads ect. At some point NHRA will have to deal with the next generation of fans.

I am 27 been racing and messing with car since I could drive, I love watching NHRA racing but there is a major disconnect between my generation of racing and what NHRA offers. Is the current PS technology fascinating? Yes, but there is a huge void since 99 percent of current engines used by my generation to race share very little with the basics of current PS and V8's in general.

I know that NHRA has it fundamental roots and rules, but at some point the disconnect between what fascinates current young racers (programmable EFI, Dual over cams, 4v heads, individual throttle bodies, variable valve timing, ect) will leave NHRA with a suffering fan base due to there being no connection to pushrods and carburetors. Stuff that the new generation of racers need to go to the junk yard to even see or take apart.

By the looks of the last couple NHRA races the stands are getting grayer, as some point their has to be a outreach and some changes to bridge the gap to my generation.

Dick Butler · 02-11-2009, 05:00 PM

Steve MTT,
You think the stands are grey? check out the racers. Old cars with OLDER racers. Like it or not there does need to be a cross over which can attract current people to racing using current technology or..... it will vanish. Lack of new drivers , lack of new engine builders, lack of sponsor support....loss of spectators.
Sport Compact races lost out because it was a fringe group of supporters. Cost is high. UntilNHRA gets a brain wave on how to control the cost within Drag Racing basics it wont happen in this economy.

Steve Mtt · 02-11-2009, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Steve MTT,
Sport Compact races lost out because it was a fringe group of supporters. Cost is high. UntilNHRA gets a brain wave on how to control the cost within Drag Racing basics it wont happen in this economy.

Its not that there was a fringe group or lack of support, the larger series I don't think were managed or promoted right. NHRA left, NOPI left, but this year there are a half dozen new smaller series and by my count almost 60 race events for sport compacts this across the county. Sport Compact racing is far from dead.

Rob Petrie E395 · 02-11-2009, 07:46 PM

My favorite pro class is Pro stock and I hope they dont change a thing. Like was posted earlier where else is the competition so close. IN my opinion changing to FI, turbos and overhead cams will just make it even more cost prohibitive to start and kill off some of the teams already running due to not being able to afford to change over. If I had my way they would run stock, super stock and pro stock and some of the .90 stuff and thats it. Both of the fuel car classes are a joke.

John Warehime · 02-12-2009, 05:44 PM

If they were all primered you couldn't tell one, from the other.

Ed Wright · 02-12-2009, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Warehime

If they were all primered you couldn't tell one, from the other.

Ditto top fuel and funny car and NASCAR.

02-09-2009, 02:18 PM	#31
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Pro funny stock Todays pro-stock cars bear basically NO resemblence to the vehicle their supposed to represent.That's not to say they can't but they already had that class, the "imports" front wheel drive 4-5-6 cyls. with "hair dryers" on them, I believe I've heard that class no longer exists. People don't really care that the Cobalt prostocker doesn't look like theirs sitting in their driveway, they are there to watch the heads up racing that they can somehow identify with because they announced " the Cobalt versus the GXP". When you tell people something long enough they WILL start to believe it even if they know it's not real. As far as the $ figures being thrown around, Yes racers being racers I'm sure many would look for some sort of way to gain an advantage no matter what the cost.The santioning bodies would have to issue strict specs for what could be used, which properly done would probably wind up saving most teams money in the end. I've never heard any numbers on what a team spends just on carbs but I'm sure it's quite high. As for the hood scoops what the heck Detoits been putting them on cars for years, yes not as big and mostly not functional but still a way of saying factory muscle, as with most things the racers have pushed it to it's limits. Don't like the scoops.... race Stock. Joe __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117

02-09-2009, 02:40 PM	#32
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Pro funny stock I'm with you, Joe. In what other heads-up catory is racing that close? To contain costs NHRA would simply have to have an aproved list of ECUs, just like they do the MSD boxes. They could also, if they think somebody has modified one, do what they did the MSD boxes. They would bring one to the racer and require them to swap units with them. As close as Pro Stock racing is now, why would they want to change it? __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

02-10-2009, 09:43 PM	#33
Pantera EFI Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 5 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pro funny stock + EFI First, the list of "approved" EMS should have price CAP of $2,000.00 USD MAX. A rule is needed for ALL cars in current racing, today ! A "clamer" rule could work here with each "cal" erased. A well calibrated engine will last longer, run cleaner. This effect can REDUCE to cost of racing, a truth found by "off-road" racers. Lance

02-10-2009, 10:08 PM	#34
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Pro funny stock And, my friend Mike Edwards was runner-up tonight. Good job Mike!! __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

02-11-2009, 04:52 PM	#35
Steve Mtt Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 13 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Pro funny stock I would love to see to them moving towards the newer technology, fuel injection, dual over head cam 4v heads ect. At some point NHRA will have to deal with the next generation of fans. I am 27 been racing and messing with car since I could drive, I love watching NHRA racing but there is a major disconnect between my generation of racing and what NHRA offers. Is the current PS technology fascinating? Yes, but there is a huge void since 99 percent of current engines used by my generation to race share very little with the basics of current PS and V8's in general. I know that NHRA has it fundamental roots and rules, but at some point the disconnect between what fascinates current young racers (programmable EFI, Dual over cams, 4v heads, individual throttle bodies, variable valve timing, ect) will leave NHRA with a suffering fan base due to there being no connection to pushrods and carburetors. Stuff that the new generation of racers need to go to the junk yard to even see or take apart. By the looks of the last couple NHRA races the stands are getting grayer, as some point their has to be a outreach and some changes to bridge the gap to my generation. __________________ Just a sport compact looking for place to race. Street Stock CRX 13.51 @ 98

02-11-2009, 05:00 PM	#36
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Pro funny stock Steve MTT, You think the stands are grey? check out the racers. Old cars with OLDER racers. Like it or not there does need to be a cross over which can attract current people to racing using current technology or..... it will vanish. Lack of new drivers , lack of new engine builders, lack of sponsor support....loss of spectators. Sport Compact races lost out because it was a fringe group of supporters. Cost is high. UntilNHRA gets a brain wave on how to control the cost within Drag Racing basics it wont happen in this economy.

02-11-2009, 07:46 PM	#38
Rob Petrie E395 VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Woodlawn IL Posts: 1,092 Likes: 162 Liked 216 Times in 77 Posts	Re: Pro funny stock My favorite pro class is Pro stock and I hope they dont change a thing. Like was posted earlier where else is the competition so close. IN my opinion changing to FI, turbos and overhead cams will just make it even more cost prohibitive to start and kill off some of the teams already running due to not being able to afford to change over. If I had my way they would run stock, super stock and pro stock and some of the .90 stuff and thats it. Both of the fuel car classes are a joke. Last edited by Rob Petrie E395; 02-11-2009 at 07:48 PM. Reason: spelling

02-12-2009, 05:44 PM	#39
John Warehime Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 291 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Pro funny stock If they were all primered you couldn't tell one, from the other.