Stocker rules change? Please - Page 2

Robert Simpson · 11-06-2009, 06:18 AM

I am all for it. It would not be a difficult change. They allready have the cars in the book for Super Stock. My father and I have been redoing a 56 2dr wagon for the street. We had a plan layed out that if it fit in stock we would build it for that. We have everything to build it into a stocker. But, since we are in Florida there is not enough IHRA events to build it. So we are building a restored/ hot rod, it will be as nice as my dads super stock 56. Good luck with the letter. By the way who all do you contact concerning this?

Robert Simpson

X-TECH MAN · 11-06-2009, 07:45 AM

Where have you guys been.....IHRA has been allowing the old cars for years. To bad your eat up with NHRA. No wonder the IHRA is losing sponsors and having $$$$ problems. Without support no business can survive. I hope you all will be happy when there is just NHRA and you keep getting screwed as usual or worse. The manufacturers watch the car counts and its no wonder that IHRA has a hard time keeping them in the loop. Car counts is what makes the "money machine" work. Give it a year just going to IHRA races and watch the sponsors come running back. There are only so many weekends and so much time available and so much money avaliable to go to the races for the working class so choose your vinue wisely. Its almost like whats happening in our Govt. since last November.
My DOLLAR's worth

njk53 · 11-06-2009, 08:43 AM

Shelby, if I am not mistaken the NHRA changed the year rule because the cars, especially 55-56-57 Chevrolet morphed into what was a nighmare for the NHRA to police when it came to factory and dealer installed options. There had been claims of wild options like dual quads that were suposedly installed by the dealer as an optional "power pack". I think there was also a transmission that was in question. A lot of it was just a bunch of bogus high performance parts that got on to those cars that the NHRA couldn't prove was a OEM option or a dealer installed option. They just got tired of trying to police it. Junior stockers started to look and run like super stockers and modified production cars.

One way to plead your case is to ask the NHRA to consider the OEM options only that came on the 55-56-57 Chevrolets, no dealer installed options allowed. Same goes for Ford and Chrysler. The NHRA can create a baseline as to what they feel was a correct option package for that model year from the factory only and that is it. No argument beyond that.

I miss the old cars in that class.

Maybe there is somone out there that knows more specifics regarding the ban.

Good luck

Tony Janes · 11-06-2009, 09:42 AM

The class guide has already solved that problem.

brett3533 · 11-06-2009, 10:23 AM

I dont think you will ever convince nhra to go back to 1955-56-57 cars in stock eliminator. It opens up for all auto mfg. to be listed not just chevrolets. It will be a nightmare. 1957 ford w/superchargers lost specs etc. superchargers were not allowed in stock till the new CJ cars appeared. good luck on getting this done but dont hold your breath to long. Maybe good avenue is to upgrade your car to super/stock and run class up or down from dad.

Jack McCarthy · 11-06-2009, 10:37 AM

in 1979 i believe they instituted the 20 year rule for several reasons.

1. was because nhra felt it had lost the manufacturers support of the "win on sunday sell on monday mentality" that fueled the stock & superstock campaigns in the late 60's early 70's. that this would encourage racers to build newer cars and therefore help enhance nhra's ability to market to detriot.
2. was facts that there was huge disrepencies in dealer options, and many specs were not submitted.
3. nhra was tired of the 55-57 chevy's kicking everyones *** and wanted some newer iron on the track

this rule was short lived and was revoked in 1980... ergo my 1960 chevy is the senior car in nhra.

captain jack's history class

TGould · 11-06-2009, 12:35 PM

The new Stock was established in 1972. Several years ago I went through the NHRA rule books and created a file of the major changes. These are the changes for 1972 - 1979. I won't swamp you with the multitude of changes since then. But, V/S is still 6 and 4 cyl only and W is 4 CYL only .A lot of those great old cars (Buick, Olds, Studebaker) were 22, 23, 24 and 25 lb V8s . So even if NHRA allowed them back in (and they won't for the reasons stated) they would not have a class. But it sure would be neat.

1972: 1963 or newer
Dual exhausts (open during competition)
Pistons (stock) .035 over permitted
Street tires

1973: 1963 or newer
Blueprinting permitted

1974: 1965 or newer
Headers permitted (must retain tailpipe/mufflers)

1975: 1965 or newer
Reground camshaft permitted (stock lift, dur,overlap)
Cool cans permitted
Open headers
Slicks

1976: 1960 or newer
Classes W and X 6 and 4 cyl entries only
Class Y 4 cyl only

1977: No major changes

1978: Electric fuel pump OK (must retain manual pump)
Weigh car with driver (170 lbs added to car weight)
Weight of car can be adjusted + or - 75 lbs to fit the class
Helmets required

1979 : No major chamges

Hurley1828 · 11-06-2009, 05:58 PM

To answer Robert Simpson, i was advised to send my letter to Bruce Bachelder at BBachelder@nhra.com

Hurley1828 · 11-06-2009, 06:08 PM

in response to TGould - The car already fits classes in IHRA and NHRA. Check NHRA's classification guide in stock eliminator, the engine is factored at 205 hp and that is for the 180 and 195 hp combinations. Thanks for the input.

Michael Kilduff · 11-06-2009, 06:38 PM

Shelby,

Good luck to you, I hope you can convince NHRA to ammend the rulebook so the Tri 5 chevys can race in stock. I always thought that the cars most responsible for 'stock car racing' either on the track or the street in the early days were the '55-57' Chevys. And they are the best looking cars ever produced imo.

Terry is correct, '55 Chevys are allowed to race stock in IHRA. One is campaigned by a fellow from the mid west -Kansas City or somewhere, his last name is Hillig I think. It's a crate motor car, all black hardtop-one of the nicest restos/race cars I've seen. He has a brother that races a crate motor '68 camaro, C/CM I think and lives in the Carolinas. Silver paint, just as nice as the '55, and used to run it with a 327 in E or F stock .

11-06-2009, 06:18 AM	#11
Robert Simpson Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 808 Likes: 7 Liked 20 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Stocker rules change? Please I am all for it. It would not be a difficult change. They allready have the cars in the book for Super Stock. My father and I have been redoing a 56 2dr wagon for the street. We had a plan layed out that if it fit in stock we would build it for that. We have everything to build it into a stocker. But, since we are in Florida there is not enough IHRA events to build it. So we are building a restored/ hot rod, it will be as nice as my dads super stock 56. Good luck with the letter. By the way who all do you contact concerning this? Robert Simpson

11-06-2009, 07:45 AM	#12
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Stocker rules change? Please Where have you guys been.....IHRA has been allowing the old cars for years. To bad your eat up with NHRA. No wonder the IHRA is losing sponsors and having $$$$ problems. Without support no business can survive. I hope you all will be happy when there is just NHRA and you keep getting screwed as usual or worse. The manufacturers watch the car counts and its no wonder that IHRA has a hard time keeping them in the loop. Car counts is what makes the "money machine" work. Give it a year just going to IHRA races and watch the sponsors come running back. There are only so many weekends and so much time available and so much money avaliable to go to the races for the working class so choose your vinue wisely. Its almost like whats happening in our Govt. since last November. My DOLLAR's worth

11-06-2009, 08:43 AM	#13
njk53 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: East China, MI Posts: 504 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stocker rules change? Please Shelby, if I am not mistaken the NHRA changed the year rule because the cars, especially 55-56-57 Chevrolet morphed into what was a nighmare for the NHRA to police when it came to factory and dealer installed options. There had been claims of wild options like dual quads that were suposedly installed by the dealer as an optional "power pack". I think there was also a transmission that was in question. A lot of it was just a bunch of bogus high performance parts that got on to those cars that the NHRA couldn't prove was a OEM option or a dealer installed option. They just got tired of trying to police it. Junior stockers started to look and run like super stockers and modified production cars. One way to plead your case is to ask the NHRA to consider the OEM options only that came on the 55-56-57 Chevrolets, no dealer installed options allowed. Same goes for Ford and Chrysler. The NHRA can create a baseline as to what they feel was a correct option package for that model year from the factory only and that is it. No argument beyond that. I miss the old cars in that class. Maybe there is somone out there that knows more specifics regarding the ban. Good luck __________________ Nelson Kowal Stock 345

11-06-2009, 09:42 AM	#14
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 87 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Stocker rules change? Please The class guide has already solved that problem. __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

11-06-2009, 10:23 AM	#15
brett3533 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: maysville Posts: 118 Likes: 15 Liked 41 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Stocker rules change? Please I dont think you will ever convince nhra to go back to 1955-56-57 cars in stock eliminator. It opens up for all auto mfg. to be listed not just chevrolets. It will be a nightmare. 1957 ford w/superchargers lost specs etc. superchargers were not allowed in stock till the new CJ cars appeared. good luck on getting this done but dont hold your breath to long. Maybe good avenue is to upgrade your car to super/stock and run class up or down from dad. __________________ Brett McFarland A/S

11-06-2009, 10:37 AM	#16
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,318 Likes: 28 Liked 459 Times in 113 Posts	Re: Stocker rules change? Please in 1979 i believe they instituted the 20 year rule for several reasons. 1. was because nhra felt it had lost the manufacturers support of the "win on sunday sell on monday mentality" that fueled the stock & superstock campaigns in the late 60's early 70's. that this would encourage racers to build newer cars and therefore help enhance nhra's ability to market to detriot. 2. was facts that there was huge disrepencies in dealer options, and many specs were not submitted. 3. nhra was tired of the 55-57 chevy's kicking everyones *** and wanted some newer iron on the track this rule was short lived and was revoked in 1980... ergo my 1960 chevy is the senior car in nhra. captain jack's history class __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

11-06-2009, 12:35 PM	#17
TGould Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Beaufort,SC Posts: 145 Likes: 18 Liked 32 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Stocker rules change? Please The new Stock was established in 1972. Several years ago I went through the NHRA rule books and created a file of the major changes. These are the changes for 1972 - 1979. I won't swamp you with the multitude of changes since then. But, V/S is still 6 and 4 cyl only and W is 4 CYL only .A lot of those great old cars (Buick, Olds, Studebaker) were 22, 23, 24 and 25 lb V8s . So even if NHRA allowed them back in (and they won't for the reasons stated) they would not have a class. But it sure would be neat. 1972: 1963 or newer Dual exhausts (open during competition) Pistons (stock) .035 over permitted Street tires 1973: 1963 or newer Blueprinting permitted 1974: 1965 or newer Headers permitted (must retain tailpipe/mufflers) 1975: 1965 or newer Reground camshaft permitted (stock lift, dur,overlap) Cool cans permitted Open headers Slicks 1976: 1960 or newer Classes W and X 6 and 4 cyl entries only Class Y 4 cyl only 1977: No major changes 1978: Electric fuel pump OK (must retain manual pump) Weigh car with driver (170 lbs added to car weight) Weight of car can be adjusted + or - 75 lbs to fit the class Helmets required 1979 : No major chamges

11-06-2009, 05:58 PM	#18
Hurley1828 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 10 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stocker rules change? Please To answer Robert Simpson, i was advised to send my letter to Bruce Bachelder at BBachelder@nhra.com

11-06-2009, 06:08 PM	#19
Hurley1828 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 10 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stocker rules change? Please in response to TGould - The car already fits classes in IHRA and NHRA. Check NHRA's classification guide in stock eliminator, the engine is factored at 205 hp and that is for the 180 and 195 hp combinations. Thanks for the input.

11-06-2009, 06:38 PM	#20
Michael Kilduff Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Carolina Beach, NC Posts: 281 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stocker rules change? Please Shelby, Good luck to you, I hope you can convince NHRA to ammend the rulebook so the Tri 5 chevys can race in stock. I always thought that the cars most responsible for 'stock car racing' either on the track or the street in the early days were the '55-57' Chevys. And they are the best looking cars ever produced imo. Terry is correct, '55 Chevys are allowed to race stock in IHRA. One is campaigned by a fellow from the mid west -Kansas City or somewhere, his last name is Hillig I think. It's a crate motor car, all black hardtop-one of the nicest restos/race cars I've seen. He has a brother that races a crate motor '68 camaro, C/CM I think and lives in the Carolinas. Silver paint, just as nice as the '55, and used to run it with a 327 in E or F stock .