Horsepower Adjustments are Posted - Page 5

Ed Carpenter · 12-18-2009, 01:33 PM

NHRA has listed a 327/250 reduced from 274 to 269. I can't find where that even exists(274 that is). The 250 is rated at 270 on a 65 in the GT section. It also states 62/67???? I called and got no where with this. Wesley at D4 said he has no idea where this came from. He doesn't understand this either. Ed

Randall Klein · 12-18-2009, 02:08 PM

How about those AHFS guru's missing the boat on the 265 ('55 Chevy), not counting some slower runs because they assumed that other '55 was a 283! Len's "simple AHFS" gets messier all the time. The rules "float" depending on human element that was supposed to be eliminated by a mathmatical system. The system is flawed and human bias and/or laziness contributes to the fact that questions multiple each time a revision comes out.

My "fix": take 3 major brand engine builders (Ford, MoPar, GM) add Wesley and Travis and let those 5 deal with HP and indexes with their knowledge and historical committment to class racing

Flame on

Jack McCarthy · 12-18-2009, 02:26 PM

randall hits the nail on the head... the Automatic Help For Slugs cannot and will not ever work... WE manipulate the numbers

thats why several posts on here are "bashing" someone for actually racing thier car ? stupid huh ?

we need a horsepower committee with intelligence (i know that may not exist in the current NHRA staff with minor exceptions for wesley and travis) but unless we can look at the numbers, the weather, the physical makeup of a motor we cannot adjust the horsepower intelligently... we just use those DUMB numbers we fake... you know the computer saying... garbage in garbage out.

i'm just beating a dead horse, i've said all this 100's of times even many on this forum

anyway randall good call !

jack mccarthy

Dick Butler · 12-18-2009, 03:28 PM

I didnt see any GT/AA 454 motor factors. Is that an issue? No good runs this year?

Alex Denysenko · 12-18-2009, 04:58 PM

And this the the biggest travesty of all:

Cadillac 350 170 183 196 78/79 GT Only w/AT

How anyone with half a brain would have ever allowed a 350 cubic inch V-8 to compete in SS at 170 HP in the first place is beyond me.

Farmer is indeed rolling over in his grave.

Has that combination not yet demonstrated it's ability to mock the sytem enough?

Forget about the CJ Fords, that deal makes them look over rated.

Another Friendly Racer · 12-18-2009, 05:27 PM

Why were the '08 Mustangs not hit in this adjustment? Of the 2nd half of 2009, the SLOWEST qualified mustang was -1.151 ( Indy in AA/S) .

Sean Cour · 12-18-2009, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Another Friendly Racer

Why were the '08 Mustangs not hit in this adjustment? Of the 2nd half of 2009, the SLOWEST qualified mustang was -1.151 ( Indy in AA/S) .

The 08 Mustangs received 14 horsepower about six weeks ago. Where have you been?

art leong · 12-18-2009, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko

And this the the biggest travesty of all:

Cadillac 350 170 183 196 78/79 GT Only w/AT

How anyone with half a brain would have ever allowed a 350 cubic inch V-8 to compete in SS at 170 HP in the first place is beyond me.

Farmer is indeed rolling over in his grave.

Has that combination not yet demonstrated it's ability to mock the sytem enough?

Forget about the CJ Fords, that deal makes them look over rated.

Has anyone done the math on this combo? By my method it's a lot more than 3 1/4%

bob3240 · 12-18-2009, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko

And this the the biggest travesty of all:

Cadillac 350 170 183 196 78/79 GT Only w/AT

How anyone with half a brain would have ever allowed a 350 cubic inch V-8 to compete in SS at 170 HP in the first place is beyond me.

Farmer is indeed rolling over in his grave.

Has that combination not yet demonstrated it's ability to mock the sytem enough?

Forget about the CJ Fords, that deal makes them look over rated.

The simple truth is the old gross & net hp ratings. Remember when the factories started to rate the motors 'with accessories' to calm the insurance frenzy? NHRA neglected to add the gross rating on this motor.

David Barton · 12-19-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Hagberg

David: The run at 10.04 against Holtzman wasn't the problem as you well know. When I talked to you following your first qualifying pass at Indy and you showed me your 9.97 timeslip, I said " you're not going to do that again are you?" and you replied "sure, why not?" And you did at least two times more, once against Les Norton. Don't act surprised. that you didn't know this was coming. This was intentional on your part and I'm sure you know it. Have fun with your new Drag Pak Callenger.

Hey Steve,

I sense a little tension here. Tell me, what was I supposed to do?

I was making fun of the fact that the CJ's completely kicked my *** by .12 while lifting which was well on its way to .20 ahead of me. They got 14 HP, we got 10 HP, which means they only got 4 HP compared to us. So what did that accomplish? Now they'll only be .15 ahead of me?

12-18-2009, 01:33 PM	#41
Ed Carpenter Live Reporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, Tx Posts: 2,709 Likes: 186 Liked 520 Times in 132 Posts	Re: Horsepower Adjustments are Posted NHRA has listed a 327/250 reduced from 274 to 269. I can't find where that even exists(274 that is). The 250 is rated at 270 on a 65 in the GT section. It also states 62/67???? I called and got no where with this. Wesley at D4 said he has no idea where this came from. He doesn't understand this either. Ed __________________ Ed Carpenter 2005 Chevy Cobalt A/SM Race Engine Development

12-18-2009, 02:08 PM	#42
Randall Klein Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 785 Likes: 45 Liked 316 Times in 67 Posts	Re: Horsepower Adjustments are Posted How about those AHFS guru's missing the boat on the 265 ('55 Chevy), not counting some slower runs because they assumed that other '55 was a 283! Len's "simple AHFS" gets messier all the time. The rules "float" depending on human element that was supposed to be eliminated by a mathmatical system. The system is flawed and human bias and/or laziness contributes to the fact that questions multiple each time a revision comes out. My "fix": take 3 major brand engine builders (Ford, MoPar, GM) add Wesley and Travis and let those 5 deal with HP and indexes with their knowledge and historical committment to class racing Flame on

12-18-2009, 02:26 PM	#43
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,318 Likes: 28 Liked 459 Times in 113 Posts	Re: Horsepower Adjustments are Posted randall hits the nail on the head... the Automatic Help For Slugs cannot and will not ever work... WE manipulate the numbers thats why several posts on here are "bashing" someone for actually racing thier car ? stupid huh ? we need a horsepower committee with intelligence (i know that may not exist in the current NHRA staff with minor exceptions for wesley and travis) but unless we can look at the numbers, the weather, the physical makeup of a motor we cannot adjust the horsepower intelligently... we just use those DUMB numbers we fake... you know the computer saying... garbage in garbage out. i'm just beating a dead horse, i've said all this 100's of times even many on this forum anyway randall good call ! jack mccarthy __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

12-18-2009, 03:28 PM	#44
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Horsepower Adjustments are Posted I didnt see any GT/AA 454 motor factors. Is that an issue? No good runs this year?

12-18-2009, 04:58 PM	#45
Alex Denysenko Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Michigan City IN Posts: 633 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Horsepower Adjustments are Posted And this the the biggest travesty of all: Cadillac 350 170 183 196 78/79 GT Only w/AT How anyone with half a brain would have ever allowed a 350 cubic inch V-8 to compete in SS at 170 HP in the first place is beyond me. Farmer is indeed rolling over in his grave. Has that combination not yet demonstrated it's ability to mock the sytem enough? Forget about the CJ Fords, that deal makes them look over rated. __________________ Alex Denysenko NHRA 3038 SS, 3305 STK - IHRA 6 SS, 330A STK Moneymaker Racing LaPorte Indiana 219-861-1214 www.moneymakerracing.net

12-18-2009, 05:27 PM	#46
Another Friendly Racer Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 152 Likes: 0 Liked 19 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Horsepower Adjustments are Posted Why were the '08 Mustangs not hit in this adjustment? Of the 2nd half of 2009, the SLOWEST qualified mustang was -1.151 ( Indy in AA/S) .