oil retention devices

[Floyd Gomez]

OK. I talked to Dennins this morning at DRE and I have to say this guy has his stuff together. He is very imformative about his product and does what he can to keep the cost down for sportsman. If you have clearance issues give him a call. He seems to have a soloution for any issue. If mandated I will only buy from him.

[B Aceves]

If some of you dont think that they get carried away with Saftey Implementations that
cost racers Thousands before they really look into it, Answer me why do they not use the automatic shut off device
for the fuel cars that was supposed to be the best thing since sliced Bread anymore??

[63corvette]

OK everyone has their shorts in a knot over this so I just had to post a funny story about the Diapers. I run S/G and ran a diaper before they were required it that class so this is what I witnessed the first year they were required in S/G.
True Story:
Was pitted in Phoenix at the Nationals next to a S/G racer from Washington State who will remain anonymous. He unloaded the car to take to tech. He pours close to 5 gallons of water in the radiator out of a 5 gallon bucket as it was the first race of the year for him after having stored the car over the winter. He comments that did not look like it filled up the radiator but the bucket was empty and he kept looking for leaks under the car and did not see any.
He fires it up and goes to tech. When he came back it was steaming hot. He lets it cool down and gets another bucket full of water and pours it in. He has now put 7 to 9 gallons of water in a big block chevy and radiator and the radiator still shows low on water. None has leaked out on the ground yet. He pulls the dipstick to see if it is in the crankcase. I have been talking to him and he is wondering where the water is going. The dipstick shows all oil and it is clean. He then decides to look inside his block/pan diaper. He pulled one bolt on an attachment strap and pulls it down. Instantly there is a river running out of the diaper. That much water makes a pretty big puddle under the race car and in the pit area.
The issue was when he drained the block before the winter storage and installed the diaper he did not get it all out and the water when it froze pushed out a freeze plug which was also in the bottom of the diaper.
Moral of the story is the diapers will hold close to 10 gallons of water and never show a leak. Also a BB Chevy does not hold that much water in the block and radiator unless it is a really big radiator.
I helped install a new freeze plug and he went on to race the weekend but everyone there did get a good laugh out of it.
You Just Had To Be There

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by Jim Bailey

I grind the K member to gain 1/16" clearence for the oil pan. ( It still hits) I grind both sides of my block, including the Oil Pan rail to gain 1/16" clearence for header tubes. My Header Tubes also wrap around the frame and Tie Rod. With that said, If we have to run diapers, I will somehow get one on my car, However, I promise you if I hang the rods out, I will oil the track and risk a very good chance of a fire. ....There are over a Million safe Air Plane Flights per year. The Media only reports the half a dozen or so crashes. Maybe "ALL" Airplanes should be equiped with Parachutes to let them come down gently. JB

I can see your point.

Im sure you see mine in our desire to run one.

Now INSTEAD of making it Mandatory Across....hows this ?

Say up the Oildown to $500 at Nats, $250 Div.

And you sign a waiver saying you declined to use it, so if something bad happens then you were aware of this item specifically and not "oh I didnt know"

95% of stockers it sounds arent and wont oildown.....

Leave it to the car, but make sure they are aware of a stiffer penalty if they do and make sure the NHRA is covered.

If you wanna take your nutsack into your own hand and never have any question (as in i.e. hae been raing 30 years in a stocker and never oiled down) then cool.....

If the $500 seems stiff well thats the cost of a custom made unit.

And if you choose to run one as per the NHRA and do oildown no penalty.....

Seems reasonable to me and should make everyone happy.

If youre part of the "we dont want one" then cool you dont have to.
If youre part of the "well Id rather not but dont want to pay $500 if I do" then youre covered.
If youre like us and its not a question of If but rather when, then we have our option too...

Am I making sense ?

I should say this idea is in LIEU Of making it MANDATORY, not that I think this idea SHOULD be implemented, but would you rather have THIS ? Or Have it Mandatory ? (in the case they are going to make it madatory)

OPTIONS on alternatives are needed, not just complaints, when the NHRA makes a decision it will be because of LACK of options and alternative.....brainstorm a bit instead of just yes Ill do it, no I wont....MAYBE just MAYBE and option thats acceptable to all will happen.

In the abscence of it and rather just complaints on why you dont want it, it will happen. Thats my guess....come up with plans and alternatives, bounce them here get them to the SRAC reps....

[Don Kennedy]

This was posted on another web site > what do you all think of this wow


We have a 540 Chevy in a Don Davis Super Gas Roadster so it's car that gets driven around, not towed. The oil temperature in ours seems to stabalize between 220 and 230 degrees even when the car is hot lapped, I'm fine with that.

Bob

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy

This was posted on another web site > what do you all think of this wow


We have a 540 Chevy in a Don Davis Super Gas Roadster so it's car that gets driven around, not towed. The oil temperature in ours seems to stabalize between 220 and 230 degrees even when the car is hot lapped, I'm fine with that.

Bob

Let's see...temp between 220 and 230...in an open engine compartment with a hood scoop.
Compare to an enclosed engine compartment in a Stocker or Super Stocker with no hood scoop, the temperatures would be higher.

Also, between 220 and 230 temp, and oil with a flash point of 350 to 503 depending on the brand...bearing clearances affected, piston rings affected and aluminum rods, if used, also affected...

How many racers have an oil temp gauge? Most have an oil pressure and water temp gauge only.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by 63corvette

Moral of the story is the diapers will hold close to 10 gallons of water and never show a leak.

Great story, however, water does not ignite.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Water temp
Oil temp
Oil pressure
Trans Temp
AFR
Brake Pressure

For all the good theyve done.

I was gonna put one of those really really cool blue light up G meters and one of the Autometer "Dyno in a Gauge" and then I can go really fast but the Ricer outlet store was plumb out......sheesh....but I did get some really cool "titanium look" pedal covers and window cranks....

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Let's see...temp between 220 and 230...in an open engine compartment with a hood scoop.
Compare to an enclosed engine compartment in a Stocker or Super Stocker with no hood scoop, the temperatures would be higher.

Also, between 220 and 230 temp, and oil with a flash point of 350 to 503 depending on the brand...bearing clearances affected, piston rings affected and aluminum rods, if used, also affected...

How many racers have an oil temp gauge? Most have an oil pressure and water temp gauge only.

[Mark Yacavone]

Okay, I'll admit , my 12th grade education may not comprehend this, but I did some quick calculations.
If a diaper fits tightly, doesn't rub on the headers, doesn't drag on the ground, isn't near the steering ,and remains completely clean and dry, how could it hold 10 gallons of water, the equivalent of 35 standard size bricks?
Where does it go, into another dimension?

[63corvette]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Okay, I'll admit , my 12th grade education may not comprehend this, but I did some quick calculations.
If a diaper fits tightly, doesn't rub on the headers, doesn't drag on the ground, isn't near the steering ,and remains completely clean and dry, how could it hold 10 gallons of water, the equivalent of 35 standard size bricks?
Where does it go, into another dimension?

Mark what it comes down to is those diapers do not fit that tight on a S/G car. If you had one you would know it well.
If you have one on a motor there are lots of places for water to go.
Put a bunch of marbles in a jar and it looks full.
You can add sand to it and it fills all the gaps and it again looks full.
You can then add water and and you will be surprised how much water will go into that same marble and sand filled jar.
It happened I can assure you.
It was comical and like I said you had to be there to appreciate it.
Rick Cates