2011 Stock/Super Stock Rule Changes

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

This is NOT "rocket science." After all these hypothetical scenarios, and the conclusions that support the FACT that the present situation is NOT fair, never has been, and has sent many a car to the trailer when he should have won the round, it's abundantly clear that some people will argue with a gatepost, even when they can't supply ANY legitimate reasons for their position. They just want to argue.

Some say "Life is not fair."

Of course it's not... and racing is not fair, but it needs to be as fair as we can make it.
Why do you think NHRA Tech tosses cars out for valves that are a few THOUSANDTHS of an inch to big.... ot too small? Keeps voluminous technical records on carburetor part numbers, venturi size specs, and throttle bore sizes? Camshaft lift information???

So it will be a fair race... or, as fair as they can make it.

But, I'm just a "whiner" because I want to change a rule that screws, or has the potential to screw virtually half the cars running. Any race that's not "heads-up" is a candidate for this unforunate event.

So, if you think that you're a "good guy" for not complaining when a car that leaves after you, has a red light infraction that is worse than yours, I have news... you might not mind losing like that, but keeping quiet about it is just one way of telling NHRA that the first red light system is okay, and that's all they need to leave it alone. The others (and, their numbers are growing,) who can see the built-in inequities that are part and parcel of the first red light system, and want it changed, now have a steeper uphill battle to get a worse redlight system in place.

To use a very tired adage, you're either part of the solution, or you're part of the problem.

But, the biggest problem is NHRA's inertia with stuff like this. It won't make them any money, so they have no initiative to fix it... so, in all likelihood, they won't.

We're lucky that this bunch of Druids wasn't running NHRA back in the sixties, or we'd probably still have the "first breakout loses" rule...

Would you guys like that???

if the first breakout lost now, i bet you'd have alot less people holding three tenths. seems to me you'd have to dial VERY hard and run them out the back door. Not that i would want to see that come back. If you are so dissatisfied with the current system why don't you find a track or a drag racing series where they have adopted your "fair" method of doing things, and race there???? OH wait, there isn't one.

[Jack McCarthy]

all you whiners never noticed bill grubbs has the answer to the riddle !

captain jack

and i agree dont change any more rules, just stop putting RT's & incrementals on the slip...let go back to time / mph ... win - lose - time trials... all the info we need

[John Kelley]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

The slower car has the advantage of the clean tree,

And the fast car has the advantage of BLINDERS and being better able to judge the other car.
Take way the blinders.......and the worst breakout losing !! :-)

[Ed Wright]

All this B.S. about something that ain't gonna happen.

[bill dedman]

Chad wrote:

"If you are so dissatisfied with the current system why don't you find a track or a drag racing series where they have adopted your "fair" method of doing things, and race there???? OH wait, there isn't one."

Why not just change the current system to a worse redlight system, so it will be a level playing field and give everyone a chance to redlight, every time?

If there's something unfair about that, please tell me what it is. If you can tell me what's unfair about that, I will send you a shiny, new, ten-dollar bill. So far, no one's been able to tell me that.

That should tell you something about this situation.

Of course, if you run a AA/S car, this new system won't be of benefit to you, but you'd have the satisfaction of knowing that you weren't be going to collect wins that were predicated on a skewed system... That is, you would if you valued sportsmanship to the extent that you desired wins that you EARNED, and not had handed to you by a flawed system that can victimize the first car to leave. I'm sure you are that kind of sportsman....

[John Kelley]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

Problem is that a lot of fast cars, when giving a big enough spot will just leave when they see their opponents red light, that would skew the numbers.

WHOA.......if that made it right NOBODY would see any redlight until BOTH cars had left the starting line !!!

[bill dedman]

Yet another post from someone who would ridicule the new rule proposal, but with NO logical reason not to change to it. Just more verbiage, changing the subject and offering distraction.

Take two asprin and call me in the morning, Ed...

[Jeff Lee]

Ed has one of the slowest cars out there and I'm sure it's a rare treat when he gets to leave last. He races the snout out of his slow car and as you know made it to the finals here recently. So one would think he would be all for this proposal. But you would be wrong...

[bill dedman]

You're right, Jeff; "There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT SEE," my mom used to tell me when I was a kid...

Now, I know what she meant.

[John Lang]

Mr Dedman....You have been beating this First Red thing for a long ,long time ! Give it a rest ! Most racers, including myself think that the way it is now is just fine ! I've been doing this silly hobby (that I still love) since 1956, and it's still the closest thing to SEX you can get with your clothes on ! Yes at my age ! Go out and race and have a good time !........John