A question for the IHRA guys - Page 2

CH.CRAFT · 11-30-2010, 09:38 PM

Keep an eye on the baton rouge schedule it may change.

Arnold Greene · 12-01-2010, 04:22 PM

Just my opinion.......they don't expect traditional stockers and super stockers to attend. They are content with production super stockers and crate motor stockers. The advantage in qualifying is a little ridiculous from the crate motor indexes to traditional stocker indexes. Again, just my opinion, and I have raced several races with them in the last ten years.

Michael Beard · 12-01-2010, 04:43 PM

That's silly, in my opinion. Why would they NOT want any particular kind of car to show up?

More cars the better, regardless of type.

There are some combinations that could use some HP, but fast "NHRA" cars typically outqualify crate motor cars. If they whacked the crate motor indexes .50, how many more NHRA would show up that wouldn't normally?

They're nothing compared to the CJ's and DP's! LOL I really like the one that's rated 50 HP less than my motor, and runs on a softer index, even after NHRA hit indexes .30!

That's AWESOME. I'm not writing letters to the Tech Dept, I'm writing letters to SANTA!

$.02,

Ed Wright · 12-01-2010, 04:50 PM

No problem for SS cars. Div 4 SS is pretty much all NHRA cars anyway. Just not near all of them. I really enjoyed running IHRA last year. Great bunch of guys. Not one problem. Well, I still had to run Slate.

Hope everything goes OK so I can run with them some next year.

Myron Piatek · 12-01-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Arnold Greene

Just my opinion.......they don't expect traditional stockers and super stockers to attend. They are content with production super stockers and crate motor stockers. The advantage in qualifying is a little ridiculous from the crate motor indexes to traditional stocker indexes. Again, just my opinion, and I have raced several races with them in the last ten years.

Some recent sample Nitro Jam qualifying sheets.

Dinwiddie, Virginia-
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...=0#Post6331304

Epping, NH-
http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2010#indextop

Budds Creek, MD-
http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2010#indextop

Martin, MI-
http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2010#indextop

There is no dominance of crate motor cars at a national level. There are more at the top on a divisional level and the region does have a lot to do with it. But it still boils down to "racing" and the regular Stockers don't have to worry about heads-up with the crates anyway. (Unlike the new cars, like Mike mentioned.) There are only so many cars that are fast enough to be #1 and it's not usually a crate.

Hagen Gary · 12-01-2010, 05:15 PM

If IHRA increased their purse to $5,000K/Win and $2,500/RU and $750 semis, would they draw enough cars to cover the extra purse? Not just NHRA regulars in the region, but obviously local bracket racers could find a class to race. Don't they bring a crew in with them? If there are more people, then likely there will be more sponsors. Am I thinking to much?

Myron Piatek · 12-01-2010, 05:40 PM

Hagen,

It's like the "what came first, chicken or the egg". You can't have one without the other.
IHRA can't raise purses more because they would be in the red if not enough cars show up and it's difficult to attract contingency sponsors with lower car counts. But not enough cars attend partially because the purse and contingency isn't high enough to attract more.

IHRA did raise Stock winner's purse and round money last year along along with the rest of the classes.

But it's still good, competitive racing that takes less travel time and money to participate in. If more cars would show up, payouts and contingency could grow too.

As for local bracket racers, they normally wouldn't have a Stock/SS class to race in unless the event included a bracket program, they built a class-specific car, or were legal for Top Sportsman, Top Dragster or a .90 class as-is.

Hagen Gary · 12-01-2010, 06:23 PM

Obviously you will never change everyone's mind to just start showing up at IHRA races. What you can do is make racing the IHRA event potentialy more profitable. If it makes more sense for me to run the IHRA race, then that is where I'm going. As it stands right now. No way am I towing to Dallas, even with a open trailer for the current payout. I don't care if 3 cars show up again. With the money most people have in this, we should be racing for more profit.

Michael Beard · 12-01-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

If IHRA increased their purse to $5,000K/Win and $2,500/RU and $750 semis, would they draw enough cars to cover the extra purse?

An extra 40 cars per class? An extra $50K is a big nut to crack on a hope. Heck, there were people that had a FREE entry to the $10,000 to win (plus contingency) Tournament of Champions that didn't come.

It's a sad state of affairs, but every time IHRA has addressed something that somebody said, "If you'd only...", they still don't show up. Eliminate one excuse, and they come up with another. I wish I knew the answer.

Harry 6674 · 12-01-2010, 06:38 PM

Having never been to an IHRA track I'm not sure how the class cars compare with the NHRA cars? Doesn't the IHRA allow wider tires and deep pans in stock? Maybe the NHRA racers feel they are at a disadvantage and not willing to change their cars to make use of the rules.

11-30-2010, 09:38 PM	#11
CH.CRAFT Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: PORT ALLEN, LA. NEXT DOOR TO STATE CAPITOL RACEWAY Posts: 32 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: A question for the IHRA guys Keep an eye on the baton rouge schedule it may change.

12-01-2010, 04:22 PM	#12
Arnold Greene Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 136 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: A question for the IHRA guys Just my opinion.......they don't expect traditional stockers and super stockers to attend. They are content with production super stockers and crate motor stockers. The advantage in qualifying is a little ridiculous from the crate motor indexes to traditional stocker indexes. Again, just my opinion, and I have raced several races with them in the last ten years. __________________ Arnold Greene IHRA/NHRA 2420 A/S, B/S

12-01-2010, 04:43 PM	#13
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: A question for the IHRA guys That's silly, in my opinion. Why would they NOT want any particular kind of car to show up? More cars the better, regardless of type. There are some combinations that could use some HP, but fast "NHRA" cars typically outqualify crate motor cars. If they whacked the crate motor indexes .50, how many more NHRA would show up that wouldn't normally? They're nothing compared to the CJ's and DP's! LOL I really like the one that's rated 50 HP less than my motor, and runs on a softer index, even after NHRA hit indexes .30! That's AWESOME. I'm not writing letters to the Tech Dept, I'm writing letters to SANTA! $.02, __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

12-01-2010, 04:50 PM	#14
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: A question for the IHRA guys No problem for SS cars. Div 4 SS is pretty much all NHRA cars anyway. Just not near all of them. I really enjoyed running IHRA last year. Great bunch of guys. Not one problem. Well, I still had to run Slate. Hope everything goes OK so I can run with them some next year. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

12-01-2010, 05:15 PM	#16
Hagen Gary Live Reporter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cajun country Posts: 339 Likes: 51 Liked 34 Times in 10 Posts	Re: A question for the IHRA guys If IHRA increased their purse to $5,000K/Win and $2,500/RU and $750 semis, would they draw enough cars to cover the extra purse? Not just NHRA regulars in the region, but obviously local bracket racers could find a class to race. Don't they bring a crew in with them? If there are more people, then likely there will be more sponsors. Am I thinking to much?

12-01-2010, 05:40 PM	#17
Myron Piatek VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,542 Likes: 34 Liked 138 Times in 51 Posts	Re: A question for the IHRA guys Hagen, It's like the "what came first, chicken or the egg". You can't have one without the other. IHRA can't raise purses more because they would be in the red if not enough cars show up and it's difficult to attract contingency sponsors with lower car counts. But not enough cars attend partially because the purse and contingency isn't high enough to attract more. IHRA did raise Stock winner's purse and round money last year along along with the rest of the classes. But it's still good, competitive racing that takes less travel time and money to participate in. If more cars would show up, payouts and contingency could grow too. As for local bracket racers, they normally wouldn't have a Stock/SS class to race in unless the event included a bracket program, they built a class-specific car, or were legal for Top Sportsman, Top Dragster or a .90 class as-is. Last edited by Myron Piatek; 12-01-2010 at 05:44 PM.

12-01-2010, 06:23 PM	#18
Hagen Gary Live Reporter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cajun country Posts: 339 Likes: 51 Liked 34 Times in 10 Posts	Re: A question for the IHRA guys Obviously you will never change everyone's mind to just start showing up at IHRA races. What you can do is make racing the IHRA event potentialy more profitable. If it makes more sense for me to run the IHRA race, then that is where I'm going. As it stands right now. No way am I towing to Dallas, even with a open trailer for the current payout. I don't care if 3 cars show up again. With the money most people have in this, we should be racing for more profit.

12-01-2010, 06:38 PM	#20
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: A question for the IHRA guys Having never been to an IHRA track I'm not sure how the class cars compare with the NHRA cars? Doesn't the IHRA allow wider tires and deep pans in stock? Maybe the NHRA racers feel they are at a disadvantage and not willing to change their cars to make use of the rules.