Crate Engines in NHRA?

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by HR9121

Actually this thread started when CrateMotor asked if NHRA had ever considered allowing crate motors in stock. Then the crate motor and IHRA bashing started, just the way I've read it.

In fact NHRA DID consider a crate motored class right after IHRA added them to their eliminator many years ago. It was close to being a done deal. They were to be a "SPEC" car with only the newest current year body style (a T-Bird for Ford.....not a Mustang) and of course GM and MoPar combos AND with their own classes seperate from the other stockers but I dont remember the body styles they were going to require for GM and MoPar. It defeated the purpose of a lesser expensive way to race by requiring all brand new spec body styles and new engines of NHRA's choosing so it was dropped. This was way before $100,000 factory built stockers came into vogue. So now we have the crate combos in the new cars except they get to beat up on the regular older combos in the same class so dont ever say never.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

Who do you agreeing with ED? You posted 1 min after the post in front of you who is claiming that you were bashing CM and IHRA. I don't read it like that at all. People just said, Why on earth would you build a CM and only race IHRA? Thats not bashing. What they were bashing was the lame excuse that CM are easier to find so NHRA should allow them. Go look again, Cratecamaro and his buddy from Canada are the ones who brought out the useless name calling and insults. None before that.

I'm agreeing with you about who took this thread to name calling. I didn't bash crate motors or IHRA. The "other" Ed may have. I'm not going to go back and read them all to find out what he may have said What I said was why build a car that can only run with one sanctioning body (either one) then expect the other one to accommodate them. Makes no sense.

[Hagen Gary]

Chad said it all 8 pages ago. Maybee some people just arn't cut out for NHRA Stock. Doesn't mean you don't have a place to race in IHRA, and it doesn't mean that the performance and the specs are not equal in both. I don't think anybody said your not equal on that, but you guys keep saying we are uninformed about CM and think that anybody can make one fly (quote somebody on that). NO, we just don't want CM over in NHRA because we believe it will totally ruin the IDEA of stock. You guys have this preconceived notion that we don't want CM because we don't think your equal in building and tuning ability. Nobody said that. I don't care what it cost for an old core or if "some" parts are allowed replacements. It aint the same as a replacement engine in a body that never came with it. That ain't Stock, Thats Super Stock. If you only want to run IHRA and have enough races in your area that you can get away with a CM, Go ahead. But don't get mad at me for not appreciating your ride as much, or not wanting your theory in NHRA Stock.

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

Who do you agreeing with ED? You posted 1 min after the post in front of you who is claiming that you were bashing CM and IHRA. I don't read it like that at all. People just said, Why on earth would you build a CM and only race IHRA? Thats not bashing. What they were bashing was the lame excuse that CM are easier to find so NHRA should allow them. Go look again, Cratecamaro and his buddy from Canada are the ones who brought out the useless name calling and insults. None before that.

I do apologize after rereading from the beginning you are correct on who started what. The gentleman who started the thread was the one if NHRA had considered adding these crate motors was not the one who started the fire that came later. The only thing I would add is that these crate motor cars are class cars, maybe not what you guys consider class but indeed they are they were built to specifications required by class. I really don’t see that big of a deal about these cars other than that. I too am more impressed by what you guys call the pure class but these guys do some impressive things with these cars too. Should NHRA add them? It shouldn't matter I mean how and why would it affect the other classes that you run other than having possibly more cars at an event. People just don’t like change, I look at like this if I ran our business the same way it was run 30 years ago where do you think we would be? Sometimes you have to change with your surroundings and environment. Just my thoughts and again I apologize to Mr Gary.

[Ed Fernandez]

The crate motors cars were devised by IHRA to fill the low turnouts they get.NHRA's
least problem is having enough NHRA legal stockers to fill a field.The low turnouts
presently in NHRA nationals are attributable to both economic and the racers being pi$$ed off at the organization for the many enhancements brought upon us in the recent past.Crate motors are IHRA's baby and that's where they will stay.
And Ed I only fired back in retaliation.

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by HR9121

I do apologize after rereading from the beginning you are correct on who started what. The gentleman who started the thread was the one if NHRA had considered adding these crate motors was not the one who started the fire that came later. The only thing I would add is that these crate motor cars are class cars, maybe not what you guys consider class but indeed they are they were built to specifications required by class. I really don’t see that big of a deal about these cars other than that. I too am more impressed by what you guys call the pure class but these guys do some impressive things with these cars too. Should NHRA add them? It shouldn't matter I mean how and why would it affect the other classes that you run other than having possibly more cars at an event. People just don’t like change, I look at like this if I ran our business the same way it was run 30 years ago where do you think we would be? Sometimes you have to change with your surroundings and environment. Just my thoughts and again I apologize to Mr Gary.

No need for an apology, You didn't offend. Thanks for keeping your points level headed and admitting when you misread or misinterpreted something. Alot of us feel like if CM would be allowed to compeate against a traditional stocker heads up that we all know what the factory will start doing with their CMs and NHRA will just lay down for them. It would totally change the idea of stock. We still have plenty of legit cars and engine combos to go through before a CM is needed.

[borninamopar]

Originally Posted by Pat6868

Jumpin' Jeezus, must be somethin' wrong with my computer! I punched up Class Racer and got www.catfight.com. Pat6868

Another racer was right: Some of these stock class racers will argue over a lug nut...Go figure?

[Ron Traupman]

Chipper....See what you started!!!!!

[Pat6868]

Chipper, on a positive note, I'm sure you could convert your car to NHRA specs with an engine swap for little expense. There is a market for crate engines and stocker engines are advertised for sale also. There are also many racers who may have the parts you need. Then you can race wherever you choose. From what I've seen, it's just as expensive to race a crate as it is a traditional stocker and I can appreciate the effort required for both.

[THE LEGEND]

I only read part of this but here is my take:
NHRA guys don't understand a cratemoter. Cratemotors were not designed by the "Anti-Christ"

Nothing wrong with a cratemotor.

Question How many cratemotor cars out there. My guess would be 50 or less, and mainly in the south east. Probably as many dp's and cj's.

With that being said I'll be NHRA drops Comp and combines S/SS before Crate moters will run there.
Chip Johnson