***WARNING there is a track in area passing BAD CHECKS!!!

Satch Gragg · 06-29-2011, 04:49 PM

there is a track in my area passing bad checks!

This track operator has chosen not to take my calls and doesn't return my voice messages in an effort to clear this matter up...so... this track has till tomorrow 6/30/2011 at 8:00pm to make this check good along with all the other expenses I have incurred, or I will go public on every racer chat forum I can think of. Satch Gragg

Michael Beard · 06-29-2011, 04:55 PM

Heard about that from another racer. Luckily(?) I was a first round Duck there.

You'd figure race tracks would be trustworthy.... guess I'm naive. Got two different tracks with "check's in the mail" stories for invoices dating back to first week of May, and one race track that hasn't paid their bill in well over a YEAR... and then actually thought I was going to send them this year's decals, too! I'm about tired of it. A few bad apples are going to force a "pay in advance" policy for everyone here pretty soon.

Satch Gragg · 06-29-2011, 05:04 PM

Yeah Michael I hate it has come to this, but I have tried to get this settled for several weeks but had no success. If he doesn't clear this matter up by 6/30/2011 at 8:00pm I will ruin his name and his drag strip......this may not be the track you think it is.

CJ Perry · 06-29-2011, 05:23 PM

That happened to us 2 years ago at a track very local to me.....Cut the purse in half after we won the race...and there was a full 16 car field.....We got the "times are tuff speach"........

X-TECH MAN · 06-29-2011, 05:29 PM

Spread the word and put them out of business !

Ed Fernandez · 06-29-2011, 05:45 PM

Nothing new.Casey Miles,remember a certain track on L.I.?You had to cash the check first thing Monday morning or else it bounced like a first quality handball.

cicero819 · 06-29-2011, 05:49 PM

For a bad check written below $250.00, it is a misdemeanor offense which is punishable by up to 6 months in jail, a $1,000 fine, plus additional fees for each NSF check. For checks that were issued over $250.00, they are prosecuted as a category D felony offense, which is punishable by up to 4 years in prison, up to $5,000.00 in fines and additional fees per each NSF check in addition to other fines and restitution. Times are hard and it could be a simple problem such as he's spent more than he made and doesn't know how to deal with it. Before ruining someone's life work, you should make sure that it's not a hardship case, which you would end up causing untold problem. Meet him face to face and ask why, if tells you to go fudge yourself than I would drop off the cheque at his local police department and have charge brought up against him or her whichever is the case. Remember it's not worth wrecking someone's life work because he's having finacial problems, we need tracks not empty fields. As for not answering your messages he might be dealing with something more important than your cheque. If the gentleman is a habitual liar than let the law deal with him, I'm sure after a visit from the police he'll be calling you right away. Good luck. CR

Dan Bennett · 06-29-2011, 06:43 PM

CR, I know Satch and I can tell you his judgement is first rate. He's one of those persons who would make drag racing a lot better sport if we could only clone him.

He certainly doesn't need my help but it sounds to me as if he's got good reasons for doing what he's doing.

Maybe times are tough for the track operator. That doesn't mean they can't respond to Satch.

Michael Beard · 06-29-2011, 07:19 PM

x2 what Dan said... If *Satch* has a problem, there's a problem. He's about as even-keeled and straight up as they come.

GTX JOHN · 06-30-2011, 02:47 AM

I Won PSCA track point series at LVMS in 2010 and my son(Robbie) was Runner Up.

I receive the Trophy at Yearly Banquet...... but to date no Checks and we are
coming up on July.

Never the less we (Both Boys and I) are racing the series again this year and have already spent
more in entries between us than the end of year purse (which they cut into one half for this year)!.

Of Course............................................ ....All Three of us are Absolute Idiots!

06-29-2011, 04:49 PM	#1
Satch Gragg Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	***WARNING there is a track in area passing BAD CHECKS!!! there is a track in my area passing bad checks! This track operator has chosen not to take my calls and doesn't return my voice messages in an effort to clear this matter up...so... this track has till tomorrow 6/30/2011 at 8:00pm to make this check good along with all the other expenses I have incurred, or I will go public on every racer chat forum I can think of. Satch Gragg

06-29-2011, 04:55 PM	#2
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: WARNING there is a track in area passing BAD CHECKS!!* Heard about that from another racer. Luckily(?) I was a first round Duck there. You'd figure race tracks would be trustworthy.... guess I'm naive. Got two different tracks with "check's in the mail" stories for invoices dating back to first week of May, and one race track that hasn't paid their bill in well over a YEAR... and then actually thought I was going to send them this year's decals, too! I'm about tired of it. A few bad apples are going to force a "pay in advance" policy for everyone here pretty soon. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

06-29-2011, 05:04 PM	#3
Satch Gragg Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: WARNING there is a track in area passing BAD CHECKS!!* Yeah Michael I hate it has come to this, but I have tried to get this settled for several weeks but had no success. If he doesn't clear this matter up by 6/30/2011 at 8:00pm I will ruin his name and his drag strip......this may not be the track you think it is.

06-29-2011, 05:23 PM	#4
CJ Perry Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Sanford, NC Posts: 127 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: WARNING there is a track in area passing BAD CHECKS!!* That happened to us 2 years ago at a track very local to me.....Cut the purse in half after we won the race...and there was a full 16 car field.....We got the "times are tuff speach"........ __________________ CJ Perry 9931 PCA-1

06-29-2011, 05:29 PM	#5
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: WARNING there is a track in area passing BAD CHECKS!!* Spread the word and put them out of business !

06-29-2011, 05:45 PM	#6
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: WARNING there is a track in area passing BAD CHECKS!!* Nothing new.Casey Miles,remember a certain track on L.I.?You had to cash the check first thing Monday morning or else it bounced like a first quality handball. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

06-29-2011, 05:49 PM	#7
cicero819 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Aylmer Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,086 Likes: 31 Liked 69 Times in 30 Posts	Re: WARNING there is a track in area passing BAD CHECKS!!* For a bad check written below $250.00, it is a misdemeanor offense which is punishable by up to 6 months in jail, a $1,000 fine, plus additional fees for each NSF check. For checks that were issued over $250.00, they are prosecuted as a category D felony offense, which is punishable by up to 4 years in prison, up to $5,000.00 in fines and additional fees per each NSF check in addition to other fines and restitution. Times are hard and it could be a simple problem such as he's spent more than he made and doesn't know how to deal with it. Before ruining someone's life work, you should make sure that it's not a hardship case, which you would end up causing untold problem. Meet him face to face and ask why, if tells you to go fudge yourself than I would drop off the cheque at his local police department and have charge brought up against him or her whichever is the case. Remember it's not worth wrecking someone's life work because he's having finacial problems, we need tracks not empty fields. As for not answering your messages he might be dealing with something more important than your cheque. If the gentleman is a habitual liar than let the law deal with him, I'm sure after a visit from the police he'll be calling you right away. Good luck. CR

06-29-2011, 06:43 PM	#8
Dan Bennett Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 437 Likes: 839 Liked 591 Times in 134 Posts	Re: WARNING there is a track in area passing BAD CHECKS!!* CR, I know Satch and I can tell you his judgement is first rate. He's one of those persons who would make drag racing a lot better sport if we could only clone him. He certainly doesn't need my help but it sounds to me as if he's got good reasons for doing what he's doing. Maybe times are tough for the track operator. That doesn't mean they can't respond to Satch.

06-29-2011, 07:19 PM	#9
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: WARNING there is a track in area passing BAD CHECKS!!* x2 what Dan said... If Satch has a problem, there's a problem. He's about as even-keeled and straight up as they come. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

06-30-2011, 02:47 AM	#10
GTX JOHN VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Boulder City, Nevada 89005 Posts: 2,730 Likes: 2,790 Liked 2,468 Times in 695 Posts	Re: WARNING there is a track in area passing BAD CHECKS!!* I Won PSCA track point series at LVMS in 2010 and my son(Robbie) was Runner Up. I receive the Trophy at Yearly Banquet...... but to date no Checks and we are coming up on July. Never the less we (Both Boys and I) are racing the series again this year and have already spent more in entries between us than the end of year purse (which they cut into one half for this year)!. Of Course............................................ ....All Three of us are Absolute Idiots!