Factory Showdown at INDY

[junior barns]

Originally Posted by cambria

Bruce don't know you but you are entitled to say whatever you want and the readers here will decide whether you are right wrong or something less complimentary . Me I can't wait to get the car and do everything I can to make it fast . I don't hide it not apologizing for it glad that I work hard enough to afford it so peace out brother

I'm glad you got a camaro because I know you will spend what ever it takes to make it as fast as possible, but the point is it will be fast regardless

[Jack Matyas]

[QUOTE=cambria;334972 I don't hide it not apologizing for it glad that I work hard enough to afford it so peace out brother[/QUOTE]

Amen brother .............

[dwydendorf]

Here is one for all of you people complaining about the new cars. There is a production car that could be just as competetive. The 2007 Shelby Mustang has a vin number, is rated at 500 horsepower (compared to the 2008 Cobra Jets 498) has the same engine as the 2008 Cobra Jet and was available to the general public. You would have to build it the same as a traditional stocker by putting in your own rolll cage, fuel system, 9 inch Ford rear and race transmission but the basic combination is there. It is not as easy to build a clone because I hear the Shelby American will only sell you the body pieces by providing a vin number, but it could be raced because its in the classification guide. For those who think the factory race cars are not like any production car, you are wrong.

[KRatcliff]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

Here is one for all of you people complaining about the new cars. There is a production car that could be just as competetive. The 2007 Shelby Mustang has a vin number, is rated at 500 horsepower (compared to the 2008 Cobra Jets 498) has the same engine as the 2008 Cobra Jet and was available to the general public. You would have to build it the same as a traditional stocker by putting in your own rolll cage, fuel system, 9 inch Ford rear and race transmission but the basic combination is there. It is not as easy to build a clone because I hear the Shelby American will only sell you the body pieces by providing a vin number, but it could be raced because its in the classification guide. For those who think the factory race cars are not like any production car, you are wrong.

True. It is in the guide without a soft factor and is a manual only car which may be why no one is racing one.

Edited to add: They are not the same two motors. Close, but different heads, the 2008 has larger valves, larger throttle body, very slight difference in compression, larger blower (I think), different camshafts, 2.00 rocker ratio on the '08 vs. 1.81 on the '07.

[rawhide]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

Here is one for all of you people complaining about the new cars. There is a production car that could be just as competetive. The 2007 Shelby Mustang has a vin number, is rated at 500 horsepower (compared to the 2008 Cobra Jets 498) has the same engine as the 2008 Cobra Jet and was available to the general public. You would have to build it the same as a traditional stocker by putting in your own rolll cage, fuel system, 9 inch Ford rear and race transmission but the basic combination is there. It is not as easy to build a clone because I hear the Shelby American will only sell you the body pieces by providing a vin number, but it could be raced because its in the classification guide. For those who think the factory race cars are not like any production car, you are wrong.

The GT500 is built in a Ford plant and the parts are available through regular Ford parts channels. Ford Racing sells the hoods also. The regular Shelby, the GT350 and the Supersnake are built at Shelby American's plant.
regards

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Salty Dog

That's funny...what about this from the Jegs SportsNat's last fall?!?!

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET---Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT----ET---Speed
3207 Andrew Hill -----------------------------------------------------3611 Jimmy Ronzello
C3 ****WINNER**** 0.081 10.539 116.48 ------------------0.091 10.649 112.11
D/SA Index: 11.55 (+/-): -1.011 ----------------------------------D/SA Index: 11.55 (+/-): -0.901
Prior rounds:
C2 0.034 10.645 105.13 ------------------------------------------(R Lyn Shipp ) 0.005 10.625 120.19
C1 (P Boster ) 0.026 10.643 109.40 ---------------------------(B Plourd ) 0.087 10.640 125.24
Qualified: #21 10.643 109.40 -------------------------------------#20 10.640 125.24
Andrew Hill's MOV: 0.1203 seconds (approximately 20 feet).

That felt damn good!!! And note that I said, "given equal treatment." I was almost .2 quicker to 60 ft than the mustang on that run, he set the mph record 1 mph faster than I've ever been that weekend. That car will be multiple tenths quicker than me when it gets the converter it needs

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Salty Dog

That's funny...what about this from the Jegs SportsNat's last fall?!?!

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET---Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT----ET---Speed
3207 Andrew Hill -----------------------------------------------------3611 Jimmy Ronzello
C3 ****WINNER**** 0.081 10.539 116.48 ------------------0.091 10.649 112.11
D/SA Index: 11.55 (+/-): -1.011 ----------------------------------D/SA Index: 11.55 (+/-): -0.901
Prior rounds:
C2 0.034 10.645 105.13 ------------------------------------------(R Lyn Shipp ) 0.005 10.625 120.19
C1 (P Boster ) 0.026 10.643 109.40 ---------------------------(B Plourd ) 0.087 10.640 125.24
Qualified: #21 10.643 109.40 -------------------------------------#20 10.640 125.24
Andrew Hill's MOV: 0.1203 seconds (approximately 20 feet).

Not to take anything away from Andrew's accomplishment but Jimmy was at that race to deliver this car to a new owner. Andrew did one hell of a job driving for that class win, which included long delays and funky weather.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by cambria

Bruce don't know you but you are entitled to say whatever you want and the readers here will decide whether you are right wrong or something less complimentary . Me I can't wait to get the car and do everything I can to make it fast . I don't hide it not apologizing for it glad that I work hard enough to afford it so peace out brother

According to my emails and folks calling to offer support, my remarks about these new cars are well received and your's not so much.

You seem to be worried about the money already. I didn't chastise anyone for spending money on their cars and yet you accuse me of it. I'm glad you're a hard worker and make lots and lots of money. Do you need the number for Patterson or do you already have it?

[cambria]

OK look at your what you think is clever web address about rich guys that you created------ok now who started with the money.I really don't give a **** what you think and I think you need to understand that everybody is entitled to their own kind of fun.If you think readers are in accord with your views great.Me I beat to my own drummer and will continue to do so.It won't matter how many others like it or don't like it I won't judge them and they should not judge me.You live in your world and i will live in mine.I hope you run the fastest car and win every race.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by cambria

OK look at your what you think is clever web address about rich guys that you created------ok now who started with the money.I really don't give a **** what you think and I think you need to understand that everybody is entitled to their own kind of fun.If you think readers are in accord with your views great.Me I beat to my own drummer and will continue to do so.It won't matter how many others like it or don't like it I won't judge them and they should not judge me.You live in your world and i will live in mine.I hope you run the fastest car and win every race.

It's always good to keep things in the proper order. The web address for rich guys came after your comments about me chastising folks. Yes, by all means, go out and have all the fun you want with your toys. But, it's totally within our rights to point out that you are taking advantage of your fellow racers. You guys have a willing partner in nhra and that makes it OK in your mind. So have at it.