Bring back super/mod...

[Michael Kilduff]

Originally Posted by randy wilson

Make the claim a realistic $10,000, without the carb and pan, and you got a deal. Everyone knows everyone has a carb they wouldn't trade to get their wife back, and the pan may only fit a certain chassis. Also, I think just trading heads would be the cure, with just a $500 trade. What say you all?

Sounds pretty good. A question though-

How do you prevent a couple or three guys from trading killer heads amongst themselves, or passing around a ringer of an engine? I know claimer rules exist in roundy rounders, just curious how they prevent such a phenomenon?

What problems did you have that made you decide to close the track down?

[randy wilson]

If anyone, I mean anyone, at any time, can claim your heads with identical exchange, that would stop the ringer deal. I closed the track mainly because I didn't have the time I truly needed to put into it. The constant bitching from people I knew well was just the final straw. That would not be a problem in sanctioned racing. We were accused of favoring our car, when the rules were exactly the same for all. It takes a lot more time to run a track then people think.

[killintime6968]

I would be totally into this. I think a $500 claimer rule on heads would help help level the playing field. Would the old clutch assisted Nash 5spds be allowed like the old modified days. This new class would help pull out a lot old outclassed modified and superstock cars from the back corners of shops and bracket classes.

[randy wilson]

I like the idea of any clutch assisted 5 speed. Doug Nash included. I did a back to back with a Nash and a faceplate G-Force, .001 difference in the Nash's favor. That's just driver variance. But we were clutching every gear, literally. To make sure people are using the clutch, we had a roll bar mounted camera that under a $25 protest, would be put in the car and had to do a back-up run within .002. The 9 in. tire deal won't work because most cars have tubs that are sitting. I like a spec 11.5 tire myself. But we all will never agree on all points. I definetely think no computers, or multi disc clutches.Pro tree only. With clutching and driver ability coming back into the race. Pro tree equals less redlights by far.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

To cut legacy costs

Use commercially sold car fuel
such as
PUMP GASOLINE !!!
or
E85 since it is a new Commercial Product.

Limit cam lift to .550 to reduce Valve Trane breakage.
Would consider Aluminum Heads.
Rule limit CC and Valve Diameter.
Intake Manifold with a limit of 2 Inch Hood rise.
EFI Throttle Body
Limit to Iron Blocks
Common Engine Sizes like 355, 396 and 430
9 inch Stocker Slick
Stock Fuel Tanks
Full Interiors

Super Boom Box Stereos :-)

Would like to see a Fat Body Class for Ford LTD/CV's, Bonneville, Wildcats, Impalas, Dodges/Plymouth, Rebel AMC's included.



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I can't imagine any one of those working. LOL

[ss wannabee]

Great ideas here...some are...well..a bit un-realistic?

How about 1960 and later cars....or 1965 and later? Not sure about letting the '50's stuff
in there...

Are you ready for a '62 Nova Super-Mod car?

Cam lift....somebody mentioned .700" max....another .550"...that's too SMALL! How about a compromise @ .650"...would require lower-cost valve springs than the higher lifts.

I LIKE the following.....

Single-disc clutch

NO cranktrigger...NO belt-drive...NO vacuum pump....NO aluminum heads or rods.....

Stud-mounted rockers...except Mopar engines...

Could be "swayed" into 10.5 tire...although I think 9" could work....

Someone mentioned ladder-bars only...would allowing traction systems like Cal-Tracs
or similar styles NOT be in the best interest of this class?

Have a problem with clutchless trans....MUST be clutch actuated IMHO!

Think small hood scoops could be allowed...or fibreglass hoods with scoops....Think that flat-hood ONLY rule would cause "identity" problem with Stock and SS cars...especially with the FANS....

WE DO want to put "fannies" in the stands....right GUYS?


Anybody?

[ss wannabee]

What I meant by the fans was that maybe this class might "stir" some interest with the younger set...getting them to think....

Hey, maybe I can DO that!

[randy wilson]

You have so many back halfed older cars sitting, is my reasoning. Plus, people of all ages still love them. Super mod has never been a 9 in. tire deal. I think 10.5 was the smallest, and IHRA allowed a 12.5 if I remember right. You will lose lots of participants by allowing too much, or limiting too much. I don't care what lift they run on the cam, but needs enough to make them high winding, but I think there should be a limit to save the valve train. The limiting money factor could, and should be the heads. You want a man's heads? Give him $500 and your heads, and there you go. The protester should not be allowed to give them a damaged set in any way.

[randy wilson]

I think any year old car is fine. The crowd of all ages loves them And to an earlier post, chevy only makes iron heads at the original 23 degree. They have not cast anything, of any other degree in iron. Ford has a 10 degree iron, and I think mopar has something other then the factory 18 degree. Someone will tell me if I'm wrong, but chevy casts nothing in iron other then 23 degree. Believe me, I know.

[Dick Butler]

Randy, you have experience with this class at a track? You discussed dropping the track due to complaining. Were the complaints about this type class? IF so what were the complaints?