GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show - Page 26

Greg Hill · 12-08-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by boster

Andrew buy Ford Racing part and all your problems will be solved . You will get the extra CC"s you request

Merry Christmas

Bo, they won't fit on our motors. How about a set pf GM fast burn heads, a 511 lift roller cam, a victor manifold, a 1050 dominator, amd a 15 hp reduction. I would be glad to run against these bogus crate motor cars then.

RJ Sledge · 12-08-2012, 11:42 AM

Greg answer a question for me please. What did you do to get 35hp taken off a combination? Or was NHRA just feeling benevolent?? I'm serious and was just wondering. Maybe I could get you and your son to do some lobbying with NHRA for me.

Merry Christmas

RJ

GUMP · 12-08-2012, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by R J Sledge

What did you do to get 35hp taken off a combination?

I have asked several of these "rock slingers" the same question over the last few years. I am still eagerly awaiting the answer............

Andrew Hill · 12-08-2012, 12:13 PM

My combination has been rated at 325 for a long time, we didn't ask for HP off. Does anyone really think a 350 sbc from 1970 would be competitive at 360 hp? I don't know who asked for the HP to be taken off, but they don't run the combination now, and I don't know of another one besides the one Tommy Gaynor has that's been very fast over the time I've been around the race track. It's clearly not a bad combination, but it's also the highest rated carbureted small block chevy in the guide (the same motor in a Corvette is 5 more, but stick only).

boster · 12-08-2012, 12:38 PM

If it were up to me I would give the older car performance enhancement part or weight reductions starting today .

To me this is the easiest way to fix the problem and make everyone happy in the most cost effective way .

Most guys redo their stuff on a yearly basis , bigger cam's, more cc's, bigger valves, higher compression , bigger carbs is easy stuff to do .

Racers should start a petition to NHRA to make some simple changes for the older car, then AHFS will sort out the mistakes in a few years

Merry Christmas

KRatcliff · 12-08-2012, 12:42 PM

It looks to me the easiest and simplest solution is to put the factory's experiments into the FX class. No reason to make changes to so many when it is so few that are sticking out.

The FX classes are really cool and self explanatory to fans and racers alike. It shouldn't be all that complicated.

Chad Rhodes · 12-08-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KRatcliff

It looks to me the easiest and simplest solution is to put the factory's experiments into the FX class. No reason to make changes to so many when it is so few that are sticking out.

The FX classes are really cool and self explanatory to fans and racers alike. It shouldn't be all that complicated.

and the only investment the owners of the new cars have to make is some new vinyl for class designation. Tell ya what, I'll make it even easier. I have a vinyl cutter, I'll make them for them for free.

RJ Sledge · 12-08-2012, 01:20 PM

Sorry Bo, I have too disagree, and I am currently building a 2010 Mustang with the 352 combo.

I guess I lean with Kyle, not sure how it could be done, as the Factories are bringing out New Improved Products every year now. Maybe have them run (F/X, Factory Hot Rod or whatever) for a 3 year tour and then be absorbed into Stock/SuperStock and let the Ahfs go to WORK (sic) from there.

I still plan on running my old car until I find a buyer for it.

Running a Bogus Hp combo car Heads Up is unfair and down right stealing to me regardless if it were a NEW Combo or an Old Combo My old car has had 1 hp taken off of it from the Factory Rating and although I would like to have an extra 15 or 20 HP taken off I know that it ain't gonna happen!! But I can always wish!!

RJ

Go Irish!! (I took the 10 points)

Chad Rhodes · 12-08-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

My combination has been rated at 325 for a long time, we didn't ask for HP off. Does anyone really think a 350 sbc from 1970 would be competitive at 360 hp? I don't know who asked for the HP to be taken off, but they don't run the combination now, and I don't know of another one besides the one Tommy Gaynor has that's been very fast over the time I've been around the race track. It's clearly not a bad combination, but it's also the highest rated carbureted small block chevy in the guide (the same motor in a Corvette is 5 more, but stick only).

Actually the 69 LT-1 350 corvette is rated at 370 in stock, WAY over factored, but just thought I'd point it out

KRatcliff · 12-08-2012, 01:29 PM

Without being an insider, I can only surmise why they don't do the FX. My best guess is that the factories would rather see them compete against combos that don't have a chance so it would help sales of new cars.

The FX class would be a financial disaster for the new car owners. This type of racing is already expensive enough. The entry cost of the new cars is pretty steep. Staying at the top of the heap is even more expensive.

Putting all of these cars in FX would pit them against each other and make Comp look entry level.

12-08-2012, 11:42 AM	#252
RJ Sledge Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 783 Likes: 503 Liked 288 Times in 90 Posts	Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show Greg answer a question for me please. What did you do to get 35hp taken off a combination? Or was NHRA just feeling benevolent?? I'm serious and was just wondering. Maybe I could get you and your son to do some lobbying with NHRA for me. Merry Christmas RJ

12-08-2012, 12:13 PM	#254
Andrew Hill Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 701 Likes: 446 Liked 174 Times in 39 Posts	Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show My combination has been rated at 325 for a long time, we didn't ask for HP off. Does anyone really think a 350 sbc from 1970 would be competitive at 360 hp? I don't know who asked for the HP to be taken off, but they don't run the combination now, and I don't know of another one besides the one Tommy Gaynor has that's been very fast over the time I've been around the race track. It's clearly not a bad combination, but it's also the highest rated carbureted small block chevy in the guide (the same motor in a Corvette is 5 more, but stick only). __________________ 3207 D/SA, C/ED

12-08-2012, 12:38 PM	#255
boster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: usa Posts: 958 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show If it were up to me I would give the older car performance enhancement part or weight reductions starting today . To me this is the easiest way to fix the problem and make everyone happy in the most cost effective way . Most guys redo their stuff on a yearly basis , bigger cam's, more cc's, bigger valves, higher compression , bigger carbs is easy stuff to do . Racers should start a petition to NHRA to make some simple changes for the older car, then AHFS will sort out the mistakes in a few years Merry Christmas __________________ Bo Kenney

12-08-2012, 12:42 PM	#256
KRatcliff Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 769 Likes: 75 Liked 534 Times in 143 Posts	Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show It looks to me the easiest and simplest solution is to put the factory's experiments into the FX class. No reason to make changes to so many when it is so few that are sticking out. The FX classes are really cool and self explanatory to fans and racers alike. It shouldn't be all that complicated.

12-08-2012, 01:20 PM	#258
RJ Sledge Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 783 Likes: 503 Liked 288 Times in 90 Posts	Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show Sorry Bo, I have too disagree, and I am currently building a 2010 Mustang with the 352 combo. I guess I lean with Kyle, not sure how it could be done, as the Factories are bringing out New Improved Products every year now. Maybe have them run (F/X, Factory Hot Rod or whatever) for a 3 year tour and then be absorbed into Stock/SuperStock and let the Ahfs go to WORK (sic) from there. I still plan on running my old car until I find a buyer for it. Running a Bogus Hp combo car Heads Up is unfair and down right stealing to me regardless if it were a NEW Combo or an Old Combo My old car has had 1 hp taken off of it from the Factory Rating and although I would like to have an extra 15 or 20 HP taken off I know that it ain't gonna happen!! But I can always wish!! RJ Go Irish!! (I took the 10 points)

12-08-2012, 01:29 PM	#260
KRatcliff Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 769 Likes: 75 Liked 534 Times in 143 Posts	Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show Without being an insider, I can only surmise why they don't do the FX. My best guess is that the factories would rather see them compete against combos that don't have a chance so it would help sales of new cars. The FX class would be a financial disaster for the new car owners. This type of racing is already expensive enough. The entry cost of the new cars is pretty steep. Staying at the top of the heap is even more expensive. Putting all of these cars in FX would pit them against each other and make Comp look entry level.