Thank you Brad Plourd

[marlow4877]

Congrats on your 2nd round win!!!!

[RJ Sledge]

Looks like the 2010 Mustang 352/ 312 combo will be getting about 11 hp more in a couple of weeks. New owner (Cours old car) may not have known it was on the "Hit List". C-D-E here we come!!

Hey Kyle is there some more room in '"C" ???

RJ

[KRatcliff]

Not for you! You need to go to the Lounge and check out the Courtney Force thread.

Also, keep the BS3. I need you to have all the aggravation possible.

[Paul Iaconis]

It's going to get 4 or 5 hp

[countrypuppy4865]

It will only get 4 hp unless there was a run of -1.10-1.199 in which case it will get 8hp.

Kyle,
It sounds like you've had a typical experience with BS3

[KRatcliff]

Ok, you are now about the 5th person that I have a ton of respect for that knows how to tune these cars. To a person they have all wanted to deep six the BS3.

My major issue with it is that I cannot be guaranteed that any change I made was actually taken so I cannot tell if the change hurt or helped the car. And, yes, I did all of the goofy rubbing your belly and patting your head steps it requires to accept the change, but the changes disappear.

And what is up with the 30 minute logging time out? Have the designers ever been through the fuel check at Indy? It takes 30 minutes to get to the scales after a run a lot of the time.

It gives me zero confidence to tune a car with a BS3. I have enough noise in my head trying to figure out what is happening behind the scenes without this added complication. I have NEVER had any issues of this sort with a FAST and the Holley system appears to be as user friendly in different way.

[Ed Wright]

Kyle, as I told you before, always turn it back on and re-connect to make sure your changes are there. (BS3) I'm not real crazy about the new Holley either. But, I don't trust anything from Holley with a wire going to it anyway.

[RJ Sledge]

Hey?? What are you guys saying? That I may have a small learning curve or what? Kyle, you do remember you promised a "sympathy" tune?

RJ

[KRatcliff]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Kyle, as I told you before, always turn it back on and re-connect to make sure your changes are there. (BS3) I'm not real crazy about the new Holley either. But, I don't trust anything from Holley with a wire going to it anyway.

The only way we could get any progress with a BS3 is to be directly connected to it and make the changes as you suggest. Even then it was not a 100% certainty. I like the 100% certainty that we get with the FAST. That still doesn't resolve the 30 min log timeout of the BS3. If you cannot log, you cannot tune properly. Even a simple LED power light on the unit would be a nice visual indicator if the unit has fully powered down or not.

Maybe because I am getting older and a bit more delicate, but I do like the ability of sitting down in an air conditioned RV to take my time to refine a tune. What is up with the BS3 ghosting back over an old program when you attempt to make adjustments to your baseline to put in the car? We have tried every way we can think of to name the files differently and the old one keeps reappearing.

An unnamed racer that I feel has as good a handle on these things as anyone and he/his team is deadly on the track makes me come across as a cheerleader. I remember him taking his engine to the dyno after Bowling Green to get the last bit of performance tuning done before Indy. He would make a change on the ECU and nothing different would happen on the dyno. Long story short, he estimated that there were over 10 unnecessary dyno pulls because the ECU wouldn't take the change. He had been using this same ECU for at least the 4 years I have known him. I don't think anyone would question his tuning ability if you knew who I was talking about.

All of this are unnecessary distractions when trying to get the last bit of performance out of these cars. Stock and Super Stock are the only classes in drag racing that I can think of that consist of finesse (bracket racing) and brute strength (heads up) simultaneously.

[KRatcliff]

Originally Posted by RJ Sledge

Hey?? What are you guys saying? That I may have a small learning curve or what? Kyle, you do remember you promised a "sympathy" tune?

RJ

Yes, I remember the promise. But the sympathy goes both ways because I will need a drink afterwards.

Edit: And congratulations Brad!