Econo Modified

[Dick Butler]

Originally Posted by Signman

The amount of people who occupy the stands at a given sporting event is dependent on local culture and available entertainment choices.

Excellent point. Indy is an example of how you beat that. Develop "an event", People will travel to a given "event" Like the Class Nationals. Racers, true red blooded spectators will come IF THEY KNOW about it. The black out on advertising for a crowd at smaller tracks etc has always been about money. In advertising my business "events" I always see results of more in the gate people to spend and visit if they KNOW we are having an event. Flyers, word of mouth, newspapers and now the computer.. Cannot expect anyone more than your family if thats the only ones invited.

[joespanova]

Originally Posted by randy wilson

Ok Joe. It's a long story, but I'll do my best to explain. Dusternash is the mouth piece of the competition. He NEVER EVER ran against us. He ran the heads-up trophy class with an 8 second car. I ain't slamming his car, just his motives. They just told him what to post, and he posted it. At Bethany, with the runs he is talking about, the spec motor they ran, ran 6.44 best, at 104 mph. at 11.5 lbs. per cube. He carried a 150 lb. penalty for running a clutchless, and dry sump against our clutch assisted, and wet sump. I doubt the motor had 550 HP. We ran at 11 lbs. per cube, and ran 6.29 at 109.67 best, and we actually dynoed that engine, and had 592 HP. Go figure. Then some of my adversaries decided to talk Eddyville into running "Their" rules of any head, any trans, any oil system, with computers, and all the bells and whistles, and no wt breaks, and dared us to compete under "their" rules. We abliged, with a dart\buick, and proceeded to kick their butts again. The fastest I seen them go at Eddyville, was 6.09 at 109 at 10.5 lbs. per cube with a 15 degree. We went 5.85, 120 mph at 10.5 lbs. per cube. We never were beat by them and they ran the scales, and all legality's. And we only had a shade over 700 HP. If they ever ran a 5 I never seen it, and would doubt the car would weigh right, but who knows. And that, my friend, is the caliber of racers I had to deal with. Some were great, such as Rick Parrot, Steve Bridger, etc, but a few can ruin it for many. In fact after running a couple of times at Eddyville, Steve Thompson, our driver, posted on facebook, "Different track, different tech guys, different rules, Same damn results." Go figure.

Comical......
and this same "dusternash" was quick to ask me about my cars weight as if to imply "there's no way I could run within a gnats lash of what THAT Nova ran unless I was a lightweight" I've got a handful of 6 oh / 9.50 timeslips too and "dusternash" if you're reading this ...I have no dry sump , no Liberty clutchless , 23 degree ( std ) heads and stud rockers

[randy wilson]

Joe, you're dealing with someone who wouldn't know a real race car if it ran over him. You've won more rounds in one night, then he has in his career, and I don't even know you. Don't let it bother you, I've dealt with him, aunt Edna, and the Brady sisters for years. You learn to just roll with the punches.

[joespanova]

Originally Posted by randy wilson

Joe, you're dealing with someone who wouldn't know a real race car if it ran over him. You've won more rounds in one night, then he has in his career, and I don't even know you. Don't let it bother you, I've dealt with him, aunt Edna, and the Brady sisters for years. You learn to just roll with the punches.

[SSDiv6]

I would love to see such class be developed; nevertheless, even if there if a spec cylinder head, I believe NHRA would not be interested monitoring them.

The reason I believe so, I have been told by a few people that NHRA is seriously considering allowing any cast iron cylinder head in SS/CS class.

If this rule change takes effect, Chevy products will rule the class with the current aftermarket cast iron offerings such as the RHS Pro Action 14 degree cylinder heads, offering small chambers, big valves and the capability of the intake ports being ported to 300cc's of volume.

The current utilized Ford N351 and Mopar W-2 heads cannot compete against the Chevy engine offerings and there are no equivalent aftermarket cast iron heads either for the Ford and Mopar applications.

[randy wilson]

I don't believe they will allow the RHS head in, but who knows. RHS quit making them anyway in cast iron. But that goes back to my point. Why spend $10,000 on an induction system, just to have it outdated at a whim. You're making my point for me. There's always a head from one manufacturer, going back and forth from manufacturers, that has an advantage. The Brodix head fixes that. Why is that so hard for them to understand? What's the valve angle on the Ford head, and W2?

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by randy wilson

I don't believe they will allow the RHS head in, but who knows. RHS quit making them anyway in cast iron. But that goes back to my point. Why spend $10,000 on an induction system, just to have it outdated at a whim. You're making my point for me. There's always a head from one manufacturer, going back and forth from manufacturers, that has an advantage. The Brodix head fixes that. Why is that so hard for them to understand? What's the valve angle on the Ford head, and W2?

Randy,

The cylinder heads are still available:

http://www.racingjunk.com/Heads/1851...-400-CFM-.html

The Ford N351 cylinder head has a 10 degree valve angle; the Mopar W2 comes in two versions; 15 and 18 degree.

[Adger Smith]

Randy,
To make your point about the Spec head... About a year ago I was at Brodix talking to Jeff and Mark about all the heads they produce. If I remember right Jeff said they had 54 different heads on their "Spec" list. They build them and provide all the checking fixtures to the associations or tracks. For them "Spec" is a big part of their business. I know they do a good job trying to provide equal heads because a few years ago I bought several sets of ASCS Spec heads that failed QC. They didn't flow the spec, they were high. I can't see why you pick a set of BB and Ford and SBC & Mopar to all make the same HP per Cu in and have a spec head for all.
The Brodix spec head will work...

[randy wilson]

Ya, you can buy the RHS head on different sites, but they have quit casting them. I did one 358 for a tractor puller friend, and they are quite a powerful head. I don't think they're anywhere near the GM 15 degree, but only messed with one set. Now, you're beginning to see the frustration of running ANY class. Would be SO nice to never have to worry about the latest, greatest head again. Adger, I think it is possible to make a big block head in spec, if that's what you mean, and have it allowed. Brodix ain't a bunch of idiots. Up at Knoxville they have a rep every year at the 360 nationals, and one year they had him examine the winners head, and he said, and I quote, "Hell, Ray Charles could see these heads are illegal."

[blkjack]

Originally Posted by ssdiv6

i would love to see such class be developed; nevertheless, even if there if a spec cylinder head, i believe nhra would not be interested monitoring them.

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