nhra info on the FS/X Classes?

[Billy Nees]

The bottom line here is, no other Motorsport (to my knowledge) gives any one particular car or group of cars an intentional advantage. The FS/X and FS/XX cars have an advantage at every event that they are run at. Not being affected by the AHFS is a biggie in this day and age. At the events they run, just give them their own eliminator to run in and call it a day.

[Charley Downing]

Its ok guys Bruce almighty is on the job of saving stock eliminator(the way he feels it should be done). I guess I missed the vote when all 1250 or so stock racers made Bruce and his views our voice. Bruce if you spent as much time working on your racing skills as you have on beating this subject into the ground, you might win a few more rounds.

Bruce having FS/X cars at Indy in stock did not change the bump one .01 all those cars that were at the top of the sheet would have still ran -.85 under or more so who cares who's at the top of the sheet. They all run in FS which is not your class. All that matters is who is the last guy standing at the end of the day holding the trophy.

By the way Bruce I have two CJ's.

[Troy Pourciau]

Originally Posted by billy nees

the bottom line here is, no other motorsport (to my knowledge) gives any one particular car or group of cars an intentional advantage. The fs/x and fs/xx cars have an advantage at every event that they are run at. Not being affected by the ahfs is a biggie in this day and age. At the events they run, just give them their own eliminator to run in and call it a day.

totally agree

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Its ok guys Bruce almighty is on the job of saving stock eliminator(the way he feels it should be done). I guess I missed the vote when all 1250 or so stock racers made Bruce and his views our voice. Bruce if you spent as much time working on your racing skills as you have on beating this subject into the ground, you might win a few more rounds.

Bruce having FS/X cars at Indy in stock did not change the bump one .01 all those cars that were at the top of the sheet would have still ran -.85 under or more so who cares who's at the top of the sheet. They all run in FS which is not your class. All that matters is who is the last guy standing at the end of the day holding the trophy.

By the way Bruce I have two CJ's.

You have two cars and which one do you currently race in the FS/X classes? One of the great things about this great country is we all have the right to say as we please. Now the ability to say what we please may depend on the media and forum but all of us have the ability to make our thoughts known either here, or on FB or some other Internet site - even if we have to deal with a bunch of self indulged men. And as you can see I'm not alone. And it's not about the bump. It's about the rules that some believe should not apply to them while the rest of the folks have to deal with them. If this was working to your disfavor you would be much more vocal than we are. It's going to change Charley - no matter how much you guys huff and puff.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by billy nees

the bottom line here is, no other motorsport (to my knowledge) gives any one particular car or group of cars an intentional advantage. The fs/x and fs/xx cars have an advantage at every event that they are run at. Not being affected by the ahfs is a biggie in this day and age. At the events they run, just give them their own eliminator to run in and call it a day.

x2

[Charley Downing]

Your right Bruce it's going to change but you had nothing to do with it. The new rules and new class had nothing to do with your crying. It started back in June of last year long before your rant started.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Your right Bruce it's going to change but you had nothing to do with it. The new rules and new class had nothing to do with your crying. It started back in June of last year long before your rant started.

We were on these cars from the very start, like in 2009. And you're sadly mistaken if you think the process to move these cars began in June of last year. It shows you don't know as much as you think you do. I'm not looking for credit. I'm looking for a fair shake. Just like all the other racers.

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

The bottom line here is, no other Motorsport (to my knowledge) gives any one particular car or group of cars an intentional advantage. The FS/X and FS/XX cars have an advantage at every event that they are run at. Not being affected by the AHFS is a biggie in this day and age. At the events they run, just give them their own eliminator to run in and call it a day.

x3

And as posted earlier in this thread, all NHRA has to do is this:

Any race where the shootout cars are ran, simply allow all Stockers run without penalty.

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Bruce having FS/X cars at Indy in stock did not change the bump one .01 all those cars that were at the top of the sheet would have still ran -.85 under or more so who cares who's at the top of the sheet. They all run in FS which is not your class. All that matters is who is the last guy standing at the end of the day holding the trophy

For what it's worth, if the AHFS had been in effect for Gainesville last year, the FS/A and FS/B (now FS/XX and FS/X) would have been 9.60 and 9.85 instead of 10.10 and 10.35. How many of those cars would have been .88+ under with .5 tougher indexes?

Obviously, we will never know if Barton and Holbrook would have gone 1.60+ and 1.55+ under in Gainesville had the AHFS been in effect, but assuming all runs were the same, with AHFS, those would have been the indexes.

Going to answer my own question here. It looks like 18 of the 25 FS cars that qualified for indy last year would not have qualified. (I assume many would not have run the FS classes at those indexes, and would have run their normal classes instead).

[Signman]

At national events where the factory stock shootout is contested those entries to that separate race are on the qualifying sheet and put in to the the regular eliminator.

Shootout entries runs are not included in AHFS data base for all runs at that event including the regular eliminator and race against entries who's runs are included in the data base.

It does not matter that it did not matter in the past and may or not matter in the future but when a few entries in the eliminator are allowed to race with different rules than all other entries it is not a level playing field.