Deep Staging, why not?

cicero819 · 05-26-2016, 07:52 PM

I think that NHRA should rethink it's position in regards to Deep Staging in Stock eliminator. This is the only way to guarantee an equal chance for some slower cars to compete. Soon all we're going to be seeing is full fledged super stocker in Stock.Yes I know, we already have that.lol

Casey Miles · 05-26-2016, 09:51 PM

The best argument "for" deep staging is in the super categories, why does NHRA allow Super Street to use a .5 tree (like deep staging against a .4 tree) and S/G,S/C use a .4 tree. It's because the Super Street cars have to weight a lot more then the other two super classes. It's really not fare to the lower class Stock Eliminator cars not to be able to deep stage do to the weight to HP which makes it difficult to get a good consistent reaction time. I know that I'm going to hear from some of the lower class cars saying that they don't have a problem, but at my local track we are allowed to deep stage in all categories.
I personally bracket race a 2015 Corvette which has a pretty consistent high 1.80's 60' and I deep stage it to tighten up the reaction times to be competitive.

Casey Miles
248H Stock

Ed Fernandez · 05-27-2016, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cicero819

I think that NHRA should rethink it's position in regards to Deep Staging in Stock eliminator. This is the only way to guarantee an equal chance for some slower cars to compete. Soon all we're going to be seeing is full fledged super stocker in Stock.Yes I know, we already have that.lol

Not this BS again. When I ran the gremlin I was in my sixties. Deep was allowed when I started. Didn't like it when it was banned but I worked at it and I think I did a fairly good job at leaving on a dead shallow stage. My car's 60' times were bttween 1.75 and 1.79 usually. If you can't cut a light shallow then you need a faster leaving car ($$$) or taking up curling for a sport.
Ask Jody if not going deep has hurt his ability to compete.

Mark Yacavone · 05-27-2016, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Not this BS again. When I ran the gremlin I was in my sixties. Deep was allowed when I started. Didn't like it when it was banned but I worked at it and I think I did a fairly good job at leaving on a dead shallow stage. My car's 60' times were bttween 1.75 and 1.79 usually. If you can't cut a light shallow then you need a faster leaving car ($$$) or taking up curling for a sport.
Ask Jody if not going deep has hurt his ability to compete.

Ha..More anecdotal evidence, Eddie boy.
Make sure, if NHRA calls you up for your thoughts, that you tell them that you Ed Fernandez, doesn't need to deep stage ..Therefore nobody else does either.
Okay buddy?

bigshow2966 · 05-27-2016, 03:29 AM

Mike Jeffrey has probably one of the slowest leaving cars in Stock and can get ahold of the tree pretty good shallow staging. All it takes is practice, practice, practice.

Mark Yacavone · 05-27-2016, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bigshow2966

. All it takes is practice, practice, practice.

Sorry, that's not correct.
If you are looking at the tree wrong , you can practice till hell freezes over , and you'll never be consistent and good at it.

JOE ZOOM · 05-27-2016, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Sorry, that's not correct.
If you are looking at the tree wrong , you can practice till hell freezes over , and you'll never be consistent and good at it.

Mark....just practice leaving when the second bulb goes out...lol.....Joe Mocci

Carguy49 · 05-27-2016, 11:53 AM

Mark you are correct. You have to find that sweet spot on the tree. If you don't leave at the same spot consistently then what's the point.

Also, I have seen several people use a shorter front tire to help with the reaction time. That might be a crutch, but it works for them.

Adjusting front tire pressure helps, also.

Just my 2 cents.

Maverick · 05-27-2016, 12:49 PM

I would prefer the question to be, "only the stage bulb is required to race. Make it like the pros, only the stage bulb is required for you to be staged. The prestage, original intent was to let you know you are getting close to the stage position. Don't call it deep staging, where you got to put it on your window, to make people wait on you to roll in. Make it so only the stage light needs to be on to race. Courtesy staging is not courteous, get rid of the courtesy staging, and bring some drama back to the starting line. Steve Williams S/G

Irace007 · 05-27-2016, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Maverick

I would prefer the question to be, "only the stage bulb is required to race. Make it like the pros, only the stage bulb is required for you to be staged. The prestage, original intent was to let you know you are getting close to the stage position. Don't call it deep staging, where you got to put it on your window, to make people wait on you to roll in. Make it so only the stage light needs to be on to race. Courtesy staging is not courteous, get rid of the courtesy staging, and bring some drama back to the starting line. Steve Williams S/G

Nailed it !!

05-26-2016, 07:52 PM	#1
cicero819 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Aylmer Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,086 Likes: 31 Liked 69 Times in 30 Posts	Deep Staging, why not? I think that NHRA should rethink it's position in regards to Deep Staging in Stock eliminator. This is the only way to guarantee an equal chance for some slower cars to compete. Soon all we're going to be seeing is full fledged super stocker in Stock.Yes I know, we already have that.lol

05-26-2016, 09:51 PM	#2
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 703 Likes: 127 Liked 488 Times in 90 Posts	Re: Deep Staging, why not? The best argument "for" deep staging is in the super categories, why does NHRA allow Super Street to use a .5 tree (like deep staging against a .4 tree) and S/G,S/C use a .4 tree. It's because the Super Street cars have to weight a lot more then the other two super classes. It's really not fare to the lower class Stock Eliminator cars not to be able to deep stage do to the weight to HP which makes it difficult to get a good consistent reaction time. I know that I'm going to hear from some of the lower class cars saying that they don't have a problem, but at my local track we are allowed to deep stage in all categories. I personally bracket race a 2015 Corvette which has a pretty consistent high 1.80's 60' and I deep stage it to tighten up the reaction times to be competitive. Casey Miles 248H Stock

05-27-2016, 03:29 AM	#5
bigshow2966 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: chicago Posts: 654 Likes: 672 Liked 180 Times in 55 Posts	Re: Deep Staging, why not? Mike Jeffrey has probably one of the slowest leaving cars in Stock and can get ahold of the tree pretty good shallow staging. All it takes is practice, practice, practice.

05-27-2016, 11:53 AM	#8
Carguy49 VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Fife, Washington Posts: 1,974 Likes: 2,463 Liked 2,934 Times in 705 Posts	Re: Deep Staging, why not? Mark you are correct. You have to find that sweet spot on the tree. If you don't leave at the same spot consistently then what's the point. Also, I have seen several people use a shorter front tire to help with the reaction time. That might be a crutch, but it works for them. Adjusting front tire pressure helps, also. Just my 2 cents. __________________ Ron McDowell - Did Race Every day is a Gift - Enjoy with family and friends.

05-27-2016, 12:49 PM	#9
Maverick Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 299 Likes: 2 Liked 36 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Deep Staging, why not? I would prefer the question to be, "only the stage bulb is required to race. Make it like the pros, only the stage bulb is required for you to be staged. The prestage, original intent was to let you know you are getting close to the stage position. Don't call it deep staging, where you got to put it on your window, to make people wait on you to roll in. Make it so only the stage light needs to be on to race. Courtesy staging is not courteous, get rid of the courtesy staging, and bring some drama back to the starting line. Steve Williams S/G