EPA-Its not over yet

[Dwight Southerland]

Well, Bruce, you sure are funny. Who said this is a Democrat vs. Republican thing? Who said anything about Bush? You sure are touchy for no reason.


The calcs go like this:
According to the Boeing web site stats, a 747 uses approximately 5 gallons of fuel per mile. On a full trip, you have to add an additional 1800 to 2300 gallons for the takeoff acceleration and taxi time. The air miles from Washington, DC to Hawaii is 4762 miles. That calculates to 4762 * 5 + approx. 2000 or 25810 gallons of fuel one way, or 51,620 gallons round trip. The last two vacations included three 747s for the secret service and White House entourage. So that calculates to 154,860 gallons of fuel.


Let's say that an average of 500 sportsman level cars participate at each of NHRA's 23 national events and that the cars each average 5 runs per event. That's a total of 57500 runs for the season. I would say that it is generous to say that a gallon of fuel is used on each run and that is a total of 57,500 gallons. Then let's say that an average of 250 sportsman cars participate at each of NHRA's 42 LODRS races and that each of them averages 5 runs per race. Than is a total of 52,500 gallons of fuel. The total for the season then, is 57,500 + 52,500 or 110,000 gallons. Hhmmmmm . . . Which is the larger number? Now, you can argue about my estimates and assumptions for racer participation, but I do not think I have selected numbers that are particularly skewed to make my statements have credibility. And what if the President takes TWO vacations?!? Heaven, forbid!


Incidentally, I am just as critical of all the brands, levels and persuasions of politicians in office. It's just that some are easier to fault than others because they are so smugly snide about their self righteousness.

[impstocker]

Quite honestly when I read this part of the letter it should raise a red flag. What it seems to say in "politicalnese talk" is I hear our concern for racecar enthusiast's rights is noble, but not nearly as important as the harm to environment or family.


"As a member of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, I believe it is important to ensure we are protecting our clean air. We must not create loopholes for emissions that would potentially harm our environment and families, while also protecting racecar enthusiast's rights."

Some folks in the government will not be happy until all car hoods are sealed and lock from the public. I don't care if these folks are Democratic, Republican, Green , Martian but the writing is appearing on the wall.

Will Lamprecht

[J DeForrest]

Emails sent

[Bruce Noland]

I love the way you continually dog on the Democrats and claim to be an equal opportunity basher. Especially, when it turns out that your guy probably burned a gazillion more gallons than any other president in history. You do post on more than one site...correct?

You are still making assumptions by guessing at the numbers and then leaving out the more toxic fuel cars and the tens of thousands of passes that are made at local drag strips all around the country each year. And then of course there is the IHRA and a bunch of other racing organizations. Your earlier claim can not be proven, no matter the fluff, because nobody is seriously monitoring all the numbers for either part of your equation. And that is a fact!

[Dwight Southerland]

Bruce, I don't have a "guy", so again don't claim to make a statement about me that you have no basis in fact. It's rude and dishonest.


My original statement was "an entire season of NHRA drag racing" was somewhat unclear. It would have been better served to have stated "an entire season of NHRA championship series sportsman drag racing", but I believe the comparison was not out of line. The point was not to attack a man, but to illustrate that there are lots of considerations that probably should be considered more relevant to clean air than something that imposes hardships on so many and does not protect our freedom, but destroys it. If you have a better set of statistics or estimations to refute the facts I presented, then present them.


While I agree that no one is truly monitoring either side of the equation, government regulations that are imposed with no oversight are insidious when they selectively restrict freedoms while justifying a supposed righteous set of behaviors.


You need to stay on point and not be so personally touchy. Your attempt to confuse the argument by throwing in the fuel cars, local races and other associations misses the point of my criticism.

[Bruce Noland]

My point is you used this thread to take another cheap shot at the President and you made claims of "fact" that you can't possibly prove. It's a constant series of compulsive political digs that color your posts. I will call you out when I see them since Kenny is not enforcing his ban on these remarks. That's my point.

[Dwight Southerland]

" It's a constant series of compulsive political digs that color your posts." Really?!? You are truly funny!

[Randall Klein]

Mr Noland, a famous bard once said: "me thinks thou do protest too much"

Damages your point

[Bruce Noland]

Yes, really! We'll see if you can change your ways on this issue in the future. Maybe this thread will help. Good luck!

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Randall Klein

Mr Noland, a famous bard once said: "me thinks thou do protest too much"

Damages your point

Shakespeare was "the" Bard. And I think you misquoted him but that's OK. Debates are not uncommon and we should not give in to political gamesmanship. Especially, when we are on a racing site that supposedly bans political hacks.