Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta

[BG56]

Let's mix this up a little. If there is no dial-in on your car the class index is your dial. So with an incorrect dial above the index, correct one should also be inserted. In other words you cannot dial above your class index, otherwise we ARE just Bracket Racing (Dial your own).

[Larry Hill]

What about this: Heads up run with two different indexes on score boards, one correct and one over class index. Would it be the responsibility of the racer in the lane with the correct index to point out that the racer in other lane had the wrong (slower) index and had a distinct advantage? I don't know about other racers but in a heads up I have zero dial on the car, and doing everything to make sure I do everything correctly. I don't ever remember checking the dial in a heads up race. So who wins in a heads up race with this kind of mistake by race personal?

When is a racer staged? In my mind it is when the pre stage and the stage lights on his side of the tree are on. So...... racer A has both bulbs on and race B has one bulb on and then notices incorrect dial in his lane. Racer B backs out to notify official that dial is wrong, while all this communication is trying to take place with the official racer B get timed out and his side of tree goes red do to auto start. Does first or worst apply to racer B, both are wrong and correctable.

and so it goes

[BG56]

So I guess I'm guilty of 'assuming' the sanctioning body should be in charge (electronically or human) of "running the show". OK so it's up to the racer to keep it straight and hope they're not, ahem, Ignored!

[Chuck Beach]

If Redman (who actually knows sportsman racing) would have been the starter this would have never happened. Yes, it is up to the racer to make sure the dial is correct (all drivers are in "their zone" on the starting line), but does that mean he should be the only one paying attention. Where does our $360.00 go?

[Carguy49]

I have an interesting point on this. Shouldn't all this verification of dial in happen before you begin your burnout?? Once you accept the dial it is gospel. True the dial can't be more than the index, that is a given.

Once you light the top bulb I don't believe you can back out unless you are told to do so by the starter. I believe this is in the rule book. I could be wrong, I am only human and make mistakes sometimes.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Negative! The rule is FIRST OR WORST! If the second is worse than the first then second is out! If you red light and your opponent is light at the scale or his fuel is bad etc... he is out, you are back in. Period. Jim


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True enough.
Let's throw this out there then.
Car A redlights
Car B unloads an engine , last round of the day. Big clean up, start to finish. No weigh that round.
Car B fixes engine overnight, and comes back next morning, right or wrong?
Isn't that a worse infraction?

[Bob Mulry]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Negative! The rule is FIRST OR WORST! If the second is worse than the first then second is out! If you red light and your opponent is light at the scale or his fuel is bad etc... he is out, you are back in. Period. Jim


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Wrong

If the car was light or bad fuel, the moment the car staged he was a DQ......

The car that went red happened after the tree started down...

First or worst...

[Pistol Pete]

With well over 11,000 Views on this subject, i hope somebody in Glendora is reading this & all we could hope for is something like this to NEVER happen again.

In response to Chuck Beach: Where does our $360. GO ???? very good question.

I still like a hand held iPad & you punch in your Car # and Dial before you enter the water box. But i'm sure NHRA would need different software or something to do that.
But it would be worth it for 5 or 10 more dollars per racer IF it was an expensive fix.

Just my .03 cents.

[dartman]

Originally Posted by gump

why should i have to subject my car to this just because you forgot to read your dial?

x2

[Joe Schaechter]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

What about this: Heads up run with two different indexes on score boards, one correct and one over class index. Would it be the responsibility of the racer in the lane with the correct index to point out that the racer in other lane had the wrong (slower) index and had a distinct advantage? I don't know about other racers but in a heads up I have zero dial on the car, and doing everything to make sure I do everything correctly. I don't ever remember checking the dial in a heads up race. So who wins in a heads up race with this kind of mistake by race personal?

Larry this exact scenario happened to me at the Sportsnationals in Belle Rose a few years ago during the first round of class. My opponent was given a two tenths of a second head start due to an error in the tower using the wrong index for his lane. It was clearly a mistake with the wrong class and index on the time slip. My opponent was gracious in the mix up and we both agreed a re-run was the only fair thing to do. The race director agreed and it was re-run.