Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta - Page 9

Mike Carr · 05-11-2017, 10:16 AM

I had brought this incident on my Facebook page yesterday. I had asked if the computer, software, etc. was in place to prevent an over-the-Index dial-in. Brian Lohnes, NHRA announcer, wrote the following:

"So here's the deal as I was standing about 2ft from the computer operator in the tower when this happened.

Yes, the computer alerts the operator with a beeping noise when things aren't "right"

The computer also uses that same beeping noise to alert the operator to set the next pair at the starting line.

The pair before Jim's run had some sort of a hangup or delay so Jim and his opponent were behind the starting line. The computer was beeping, telling the operator to set the next pair. It was likely ALSO beeping because of the 12 second dial in.

She set the pair and the beeping stopped.

I was not on the mic at the time but in the room. Ultimately I'm disappointed in myself that my brain did not trigger in time to stop it from happening.

So the answer is yes there are guards in place and yes there's human error at play here and yes, it should have been caught and stopped."

Jeff Stout · 05-11-2017, 10:30 AM

Seems like the beeping would continue as the dial over index was still in system. IDK

Mark Yacavone · 05-11-2017, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy E

At the NMCA race at Atlanta in April, I was part of the first pair in round 1 of Stock Superstock. They had the correct dial in on the scoreboards, so we did a burnout. Went to prestage and the dial ins changed to index in my lane. They backed us up for several minutes to fix the problem. When it appeared to be fixed, they motioned us back up to stage. We didn't quite get staged and the dial in went back to index. They backed us up again. After what seemed like a long delay we were motioned back up. I did another burnout and pulled up to stage. Scoreboards changed again to index. Backup and wait. Finally they got the problem fixed and we finally got to run. Maybe they have computer problems that need fixing. Randy E

We've had issues several times, trying to run a S/SS race, using computers and operators that are set up for straight bracket, or ET racing.
This does not pertain to NHRA National Events, however.
This "over the index dial" situation should have been fixed by now...in my opinion.

Chuck Beach · 05-11-2017, 01:06 PM

Who writes all the rules and runs the show? Didn't Jimmy Defrank red light against Mike Cotton several years ago and they had a re-run because they claimed that Jimmy's car didn't move? So what's the difference? Malfunction or human error or who you know? This is 'sportsman racing' & fair is fair. The starter should have recognized the problem & should have had it corrected, isn't that part of his job?

Bryan Worner · 05-11-2017, 01:24 PM

Its at least the second time this has happened this year! So, as a racer, I will never put my faith in an NHRA official to have my dial in correct! I will ALWAYS check it before I stage! ALWAYS!!!

Charley Downing · 05-11-2017, 01:24 PM

Why is it so hard to look up at the scoreboards before you stage your car to check your dial? Take responsibility for yourself end of story. Typical liberal America now, blame somebody else because you did not check the board to make sure it was correct yourself.

Bryan Worner · 05-11-2017, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Why is it so hard to look up at the scoreboards before you stage your car to check your dial? Take responsibility for yourself end of story. Typical liberal America now, blame somebody else because you did not check the board to make sure it was correct yourself.

I don't see Jim on here blaming anybody.

Chuck Beach · 05-11-2017, 01:44 PM

Jim is not complaining & neither am I, just making a point. NHRA doesn't care. What if Jim had won the that race?

Adub464Q · 05-11-2017, 02:17 PM

Does anybody remember what happened at the Fall Charlotte race last year?

First Round, Stock
L: Jeff Warren Dial 10.38
R: John Leach Dial 10.52

The tree dropped as it should, but when they got to the finish line, the system had this on the screen.

L: John Leach, Dial 11.40
R: Jeff Warren, Dial 10.52

It had swapped the lanes info as well as switched a dial-in on the left lane to read index. They did re-run this pair. Weird occurrence, until the same thing happened at a bracket race near me a couple months prior to this.

Compulink will always be susceptible to glitches, so even if the scoreboards read correctly, the system may throw you a curveball. Everyone pay attention to the boards and the timeslip.

This round is still on All Access on the Fall Charlotte coverage, under Saturday, around the 46-47 minute mark.

Ron Ortiz · 05-11-2017, 03:26 PM

Any racer out there who has had something go array with the dial in, has always checked their dial in before they have staged after that incident. If they haven't had it happen to them yet, it will. Then they will check the dial in after that.

Like it has been said on here before, "it is the drivers responsibility".Personally, I can't believe Jim let this happen for as long as he has been racing. Then, maybe, he has never had a dial in problem before. If that is the case, he won't do it again.

As a side note, if you dial in improperly, your fault, no rerun and you are DQ'd, no matter what the run resulted in. Just the way it is. Lets not make this more complicated.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA dialed and ready to go.

05-11-2017, 10:16 AM	#81
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta I had brought this incident on my Facebook page yesterday. I had asked if the computer, software, etc. was in place to prevent an over-the-Index dial-in. Brian Lohnes, NHRA announcer, wrote the following: "So here's the deal as I was standing about 2ft from the computer operator in the tower when this happened. Yes, the computer alerts the operator with a beeping noise when things aren't "right" The computer also uses that same beeping noise to alert the operator to set the next pair at the starting line. The pair before Jim's run had some sort of a hangup or delay so Jim and his opponent were behind the starting line. The computer was beeping, telling the operator to set the next pair. It was likely ALSO beeping because of the 12 second dial in. She set the pair and the beeping stopped. I was not on the mic at the time but in the room. Ultimately I'm disappointed in myself that my brain did not trigger in time to stop it from happening. So the answer is yes there are guards in place and yes there's human error at play here and yes, it should have been caught and stopped." __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

05-11-2017, 10:30 AM	#82
Jeff Stout VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: phoenix Posts: 1,486 Likes: 66 Liked 704 Times in 281 Posts	Re: Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta Seems like the beeping would continue as the dial over index was still in system. IDK

05-11-2017, 01:06 PM	#84
Chuck Beach Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Delaware, Ohio Posts: 664 Likes: 12 Liked 58 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta Who writes all the rules and runs the show? Didn't Jimmy Defrank red light against Mike Cotton several years ago and they had a re-run because they claimed that Jimmy's car didn't move? So what's the difference? Malfunction or human error or who you know? This is 'sportsman racing' & fair is fair. The starter should have recognized the problem & should have had it corrected, isn't that part of his job? __________________ Chuck Beach 3340 STK Last edited by Chuck Beach; 05-11-2017 at 01:22 PM.

05-11-2017, 01:24 PM	#85
Bryan Worner Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Duncannon, PA Posts: 819 Likes: 131 Liked 478 Times in 80 Posts	Re: Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta Its at least the second time this has happened this year! So, as a racer, I will never put my faith in an NHRA official to have my dial in correct! I will ALWAYS check it before I stage! ALWAYS!!!

05-11-2017, 01:24 PM	#86
Charley Downing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761 Likes: 16 Liked 633 Times in 88 Posts	Re: Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta Why is it so hard to look up at the scoreboards before you stage your car to check your dial? Take responsibility for yourself end of story. Typical liberal America now, blame somebody else because you did not check the board to make sure it was correct yourself. __________________ Charley Downing 3548 STK

05-11-2017, 01:44 PM	#88
Chuck Beach Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Delaware, Ohio Posts: 664 Likes: 12 Liked 58 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta Jim is not complaining & neither am I, just making a point. NHRA doesn't care. What if Jim had won the that race? __________________ Chuck Beach 3340 STK Last edited by Chuck Beach; 05-11-2017 at 02:08 PM.

05-11-2017, 02:17 PM	#89
Adub464Q Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 231 Likes: 35 Liked 478 Times in 91 Posts	Re: Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta Does anybody remember what happened at the Fall Charlotte race last year? First Round, Stock L: Jeff Warren Dial 10.38 R: John Leach Dial 10.52 The tree dropped as it should, but when they got to the finish line, the system had this on the screen. L: John Leach, Dial 11.40 R: Jeff Warren, Dial 10.52 It had swapped the lanes info as well as switched a dial-in on the left lane to read index. They did re-run this pair. Weird occurrence, until the same thing happened at a bracket race near me a couple months prior to this. Compulink will always be susceptible to glitches, so even if the scoreboards read correctly, the system may throw you a curveball. Everyone pay attention to the boards and the timeslip. This round is still on All Access on the Fall Charlotte coverage, under Saturday, around the 46-47 minute mark. __________________ Austin Williams 3 SG 464Q STK SC

05-11-2017, 03:26 PM	#90
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 989 Likes: 35 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta Any racer out there who has had something go array with the dial in, has always checked their dial in before they have staged after that incident. If they haven't had it happen to them yet, it will. Then they will check the dial in after that. Like it has been said on here before, "it is the drivers responsibility".Personally, I can't believe Jim let this happen for as long as he has been racing. Then, maybe, he has never had a dial in problem before. If that is the case, he won't do it again. As a side note, if you dial in improperly, your fault, no rerun and you are DQ'd, no matter what the run resulted in. Just the way it is. Lets not make this more complicated. Ron Ortiz U/SA dialed and ready to go. __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK