All 305 Engines Horsepower - Page 6

SSDiv6 · 06-14-2017, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

If it doesn't belong there and it isn't worth anything then why is it there? You're betting with other peoples money.

Fully agree Billy.
What I was stating is the air cleaner assembly is not the reason why the car is fast. It goes fast because the hard work put not only on the engine, but also the car.
This particular air cleaner assembly does not have a ram air effect; it draws air from the bottom of the air cleaner. Even my son's V6, 1997 Firebird had this air cleaner assembly.

Paradigm Shift · 06-14-2017, 02:01 PM

Like many, it goes fast because it was not factored correctly and the system that's in place to do so is not allowed to work as intended.

With the respect due fellow racers, what's wrong with factoring cars prudently commensurate with true performance capability?

Glenn Briglio · 06-14-2017, 03:25 PM

Put in a 5 speed manual and all is well.................and fun!

Hacksaw · 06-14-2017, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Paradigm Shift

Like many, it goes fast because it was not factored correctly and the system that's in place to do so is not allowed to work as intended.

With the respect due fellow racers, what's wrong with factoring cars prudently commensurate with true performance capability?

How does NHRA know the real performance of some of the newer combo's? They don't, because they base the HP ratings from what they see and record from the racers. If a guy holds some in his back pocket it could years for that combo to be fairly rated or until another racer with that combo shows his hand.

Paradigm Shift · 06-14-2017, 03:46 PM

It's the "holding" and protection of the combination that causes this dilemma.

In fairness and for the respect of competition, what's wrong with accurate factors based on actual performance capability? Those that aren't willing to apply the effort and invest the time won't compete favorably in any case.

MR DERBY CITY · 06-14-2017, 05:22 PM

A little interesting tidbit is that 1983 Camaro coupe is still factored at 263 HP.....

Mark Yacavone · 06-14-2017, 06:46 PM

I thought I might make a couple of points here.
This is not meant to knock anybody .(Okay, maybe NHRA) .I've known Kenny for a long time . He helped me build a S/S Chevy II station wagon, over 40 years ago. He certainly has paid his dues, both literally and figuratively.

* Jeff Stout told you what's supposed to happen if you show up with an F.I. air inlet duct in front of a 4 bbl. carb engine. That alone is a good reason to have knowledgeable tech guys look at every car, every race.

* I always thought you supposed to take everything off of the front end of a drag car , that wasn't needed, no matter how small or light. ;-)

Hacksaw · 06-14-2017, 07:19 PM

If Tech says you need the body pcs. to present your Camaro as a Z28, like hood, ground effects, spoiler, etc. and of course your min. weight is different than a plain Camaro then that air inlet should be on the car. You can't suck and blow at the same time. Hey that's 2/3's of a pun, pu

Frank Castros · 06-14-2017, 07:29 PM

In a perfect NHRA tech environment, there would be proper technical inspections performed by dedicated and knowledgeable personnel with the resources necessary to enforce the rule book, and back in Glendora and the Divisional offices there would be a knowledgeable staff to closely monitor performance, factoring and technical standards.
At one time all this existed, but it will never happen again, the NHRA won't fund it because it's no longer important to them. They've made a business decision.
Just an observation, not a criticism.

1reddago · 06-14-2017, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank Castros

In a perfect NHRA tech environment, there would be proper technical inspections performed by dedicated and knowledgeable personnel with the resources necessary to enforce the rule book, and back in Glendora and the Divisional offices there would be a knowledgeable staff to closely monitor performance, factoring and technical standards.
At one time all this existed, but it will never happen again, the NHRA won't fund it because it's no longer important to them. They've made a business decision.
Just an observation, not a criticism.

You are right NHRA doesn't give a damn . It is all money to them

06-14-2017, 02:01 PM	#52
Paradigm Shift Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 143 Likes: 3 Liked 80 Times in 29 Posts	Re: All 305 Engines Horsepower Like many, it goes fast because it was not factored correctly and the system that's in place to do so is not allowed to work as intended. With the respect due fellow racers, what's wrong with factoring cars prudently commensurate with true performance capability?

06-14-2017, 03:25 PM	#53
Glenn Briglio VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Massapequa Park,NY Posts: 1,286 Likes: 1,906 Liked 974 Times in 310 Posts	Re: All 305 Engines Horsepower Put in a 5 speed manual and all is well.................and fun!

06-14-2017, 03:46 PM	#55
Paradigm Shift Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 143 Likes: 3 Liked 80 Times in 29 Posts	Re: All 305 Engines Horsepower It's the "holding" and protection of the combination that causes this dilemma. In fairness and for the respect of competition, what's wrong with accurate factors based on actual performance capability? Those that aren't willing to apply the effort and invest the time won't compete favorably in any case. Last edited by Paradigm Shift; 06-14-2017 at 07:27 PM.

06-14-2017, 05:22 PM	#56
MR DERBY CITY VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Derby City, USA Posts: 3,651 Likes: 1,085 Liked 8,052 Times in 1,529 Posts	Re: All 305 Engines Horsepower A little interesting tidbit is that 1983 Camaro coupe is still factored at 263 HP.....

06-14-2017, 06:46 PM	#57
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,821 Likes: 2,912 Liked 5,133 Times in 1,957 Posts	Re: All 305 Engines Horsepower I thought I might make a couple of points here. This is not meant to knock anybody .(Okay, maybe NHRA) .I've known Kenny for a long time . He helped me build a S/S Chevy II station wagon, over 40 years ago. He certainly has paid his dues, both literally and figuratively. * Jeff Stout told you what's supposed to happen if you show up with an F.I. air inlet duct in front of a 4 bbl. carb engine. That alone is a good reason to have knowledgeable tech guys look at every car, every race. * I always thought you supposed to take everything off of the front end of a drag car , that wasn't needed, no matter how small or light. ;-) __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

06-14-2017, 07:19 PM	#58
Hacksaw Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 884 Likes: 209 Liked 312 Times in 175 Posts	Re: All 305 Engines Horsepower If Tech says you need the body pcs. to present your Camaro as a Z28, like hood, ground effects, spoiler, etc. and of course your min. weight is different than a plain Camaro then that air inlet should be on the car. You can't suck and blow at the same time. Hey that's 2/3's of a pun, pu

06-14-2017, 07:29 PM	#59
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,987 Likes: 2,620 Liked 2,741 Times in 967 Posts	Re: All 305 Engines Horsepower In a perfect NHRA tech environment, there would be proper technical inspections performed by dedicated and knowledgeable personnel with the resources necessary to enforce the rule book, and back in Glendora and the Divisional offices there would be a knowledgeable staff to closely monitor performance, factoring and technical standards. At one time all this existed, but it will never happen again, the NHRA won't fund it because it's no longer important to them. They've made a business decision. Just an observation, not a criticism.