Make the Chevrolet Win - Page 4

Billy Nees · 09-09-2018, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Coleydog

Doesn't the F in FS mean factory?
If you don't have a pocketbook, stay away from this class.

Yes it does and if NHRA doesn't keep it's hands off of FS then soon the F will mean failing like their other "factory" class, Pro Stock.

If you do have a pocketbook and want to keep some of it while you're running this class then contact your favorite NHRA official and ask them to leave it alone!

Bob Bender · 09-09-2018, 10:35 AM

You know I have been a Chevy guy all my life. But it was getting old watching the COPO Show. The Mopar guys are getting their act together and that is good. Come on Ford and make it a better race. Hey COPO guys start tuning them up you have competition now. This will be fun to watch!!!!!

Ed Wright · 09-09-2018, 11:36 AM

It would be interesting if NHRA could get an untouched versions of all those engine, dyno them, and classify them all off that. Not the bogus low numbers MOPAR, GM & Ford have provided them.

Tim Ellis · 09-09-2018, 12:17 PM

Obviously they could Dyno them and get a reality check on h.p. But then the manufacturers could potentially set up software ( like V.W did to their diesel motors to satisfy emissions ) to sense when being tested to dumb down the h.p, via timing, fueling, rpm,...Or possibly by
selling the vehicle with the out the door lower h.p, then offering a software update, new tuning instructions.

Greg Hill · 09-09-2018, 12:27 PM

I think NHRA was premature in changing the weight breaks right now. There is no question that the Dodges are making significantly more horsepower than Chevy or Ford, however I think there is significantly more factory involvement from Chrysler than the other two. The Challenger is the worst body of the three by a fair amount. Right now they all have the same blower and throttle body I think. Maybe some tweaks to the specs to help Chevy and Ford, cam lift, runner volume, who knows. The Dodges are just now starting to separate from the other two in no small part because of the factory involvement,DSR , Tony Bischoff and my buddy Kevin Helms working full time on them. Penalizing the Challengers seems like when you work hard and run faster you don’t get rewarded but thumped.

Larry Hill · 09-09-2018, 12:35 PM

Its a tuners race of who can go A to B the best. The result of the 25 lbs. addition to one car will in affect make the tires smaller. On the other side of the coin, the 25 lbs. reduction in the COPO and Fords will make the tires seem larger. The Dodge Boys will have to walk a finer knife edge to make a good run with an increased lbs./sq in. tire contact patch loading. The tuners job of the Ford's and Chevy's just got a little easier

With only two races left NHRA changes the rules.....

Race Clean · 09-09-2018, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Penalizing the Challengers seems like when you work hard and run faster you don’t get rewarded but thumped.

Automatic Help For Slugs maybe could be used in some way here to take some workload off those fine gentlemen

mjacquesjr · 09-09-2018, 01:00 PM

Maybe we are not looking at it from a tuners point of view, trying to stick a 9in tire with all that HP might be easier with a little extra weight. What will NHRA do then to equal "The Playing Field"

Dave Crysler · 09-09-2018, 01:14 PM

Greg, what are the hp numbers to push those three front ends? If the powers that be take the route of pro stock, like a common template that heads down the same dead end that ruined pro stock.

Jeff Stout · 09-09-2018, 01:24 PM

never mind dumb idea

09-09-2018, 10:35 AM	#32
Bob Bender VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,734 Likes: 1,599 Liked 460 Times in 91 Posts	Re: Make the Chevrolet Win You know I have been a Chevy guy all my life. But it was getting old watching the COPO Show. The Mopar guys are getting their act together and that is good. Come on Ford and make it a better race. Hey COPO guys start tuning them up you have competition now. This will be fun to watch!!!!! __________________ Bob Bender 144 O/SA 2010-2012 National Record Holder

09-09-2018, 11:36 AM	#33
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Make the Chevrolet Win It would be interesting if NHRA could get an untouched versions of all those engine, dyno them, and classify them all off that. Not the bogus low numbers MOPAR, GM & Ford have provided them. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

09-09-2018, 12:17 PM	#34
Tim Ellis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Beavercreek Or. Posts: 272 Likes: 31 Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Make the Chevrolet Win Obviously they could Dyno them and get a reality check on h.p. But then the manufacturers could potentially set up software ( like V.W did to their diesel motors to satisfy emissions ) to sense when being tested to dumb down the h.p, via timing, fueling, rpm,...Or possibly by selling the vehicle with the out the door lower h.p, then offering a software update, new tuning instructions. Last edited by Tim Ellis; 09-09-2018 at 12:21 PM.

09-09-2018, 12:27 PM	#35
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Make the Chevrolet Win I think NHRA was premature in changing the weight breaks right now. There is no question that the Dodges are making significantly more horsepower than Chevy or Ford, however I think there is significantly more factory involvement from Chrysler than the other two. The Challenger is the worst body of the three by a fair amount. Right now they all have the same blower and throttle body I think. Maybe some tweaks to the specs to help Chevy and Ford, cam lift, runner volume, who knows. The Dodges are just now starting to separate from the other two in no small part because of the factory involvement,DSR , Tony Bischoff and my buddy Kevin Helms working full time on them. Penalizing the Challengers seems like when you work hard and run faster you don’t get rewarded but thumped. __________________ Greg Hill 4171 STK

09-09-2018, 12:35 PM	#36
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,644 Likes: 1,941 Liked 10,738 Times in 2,234 Posts	Re: Make the Chevrolet Win Its a tuners race of who can go A to B the best. The result of the 25 lbs. addition to one car will in affect make the tires smaller. On the other side of the coin, the 25 lbs. reduction in the COPO and Fords will make the tires seem larger. The Dodge Boys will have to walk a finer knife edge to make a good run with an increased lbs./sq in. tire contact patch loading. The tuners job of the Ford's and Chevy's just got a little easier With only two races left NHRA changes the rules..... __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

09-09-2018, 01:00 PM	#38
mjacquesjr Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Baton Rouge LA Posts: 43 Likes: 6 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Make the Chevrolet Win Maybe we are not looking at it from a tuners point of view, trying to stick a 9in tire with all that HP might be easier with a little extra weight. What will NHRA do then to equal "The Playing Field"

09-09-2018, 01:14 PM	#39
Dave Crysler Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 120 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Make the Chevrolet Win Greg, what are the hp numbers to push those three front ends? If the powers that be take the route of pro stock, like a common template that heads down the same dead end that ruined pro stock.

09-09-2018, 01:24 PM	#40
Jeff Stout VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: phoenix Posts: 1,486 Likes: 66 Liked 704 Times in 281 Posts	Re: Make the Chevrolet Win never mind dumb idea Last edited by Jeff Stout; 09-09-2018 at 01:26 PM. Reason: more