Horsepower welfare changes.....

MR DERBY CITY · 01-10-2020, 02:04 PM

Appears as though the WELFARE line will be shortened this year.....one request per competitor per review period......huh ...??

jmcarter · 01-10-2020, 02:32 PM

http://www.nhraracer.com/content/gen...703&zoneid=132

MikeMoller · 01-10-2020, 10:39 PM

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like the old spec said no decrease for 3 (or 5?) years once NHRA had increased it. Now it says no decrease considered once they have increased it. So increases are forever.

However, don't think the changes will affect requests, seems like a lot of requests were submitted 'hoping' for approval but knowing they wouldn't be.

Bobby Fazio · 01-12-2020, 03:23 PM

"No runs made during exempt events, National Opens, test and tune, time trials, 1/8th mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review."

I don't like this. So you can sandbag and go -.549 under all year and then go -1.80 under at Indy and National Opens, and still get a HP reduction. I would certainly hope this would fall under "The decision to adjust horsepower will be at the discretion of the AHFS Committee." I get it (and still think it is dumb) that Indy runs are exempt from HP increases but they should definitely be taken into account when reviewing requests for HP decreases.

jamie2370 · 01-12-2020, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeMoller

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like the old spec said no decrease for 3 (or 5?) years once NHRA had increased it. Now it says no decrease considered once they have increased it. So increases are forever.

However, don't think the changes will affect requests, seems like a lot of requests were submitted 'hoping' for approval but knowing they wouldn't be.

Mike, I have the same question. Wording seems to state that once you get HP that you can NEVER get a decrease? Def needs clarification

Bob Smith · 01-12-2020, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fazio

"No runs made during exempt events, National Opens, test and tune, time trials, 1/8th mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review."

I don't like this. So you can sandbag and go -.549 under all year and then go -1.80 under at Indy and National Opens, and still get a HP reduction. I would certainly hope this would fall under "The decision to adjust horsepower will be at the discretion of the AHFS Committee." I get it (and still think it is dumb) that Indy runs are exempt from HP increases but they should definitely be taken into account when reviewing requests for HP decreases.

You are 100% right Bobby

Mepprecht · 01-12-2020, 09:00 PM

almost nothing changed, only the highlighted stuff reads any different then any other year recently....

Jim Cimarolli · 01-12-2020, 10:16 PM

Ignorance knows no evil.

jmantle · 01-13-2020, 12:16 AM

[QUOTE=Bobby Fazio;606007]"No runs made during exempt events, National Opens, test and tune, time trials, 1/8th mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review."

I don't see any mention of Indy so I would have to presume Indy is not exempt.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

charlie westcott · 01-13-2020, 12:40 PM

At what point is it so complicated that someone says "hey, why cant someone use a little common sense and level it out"
Its turning into an example of over complication that only a few understand, or care to even read. I got to the second sentence and threw in the towel.
When People I know, go to a race, and shut off at the 1000' so they can bring the average down, then something is fundamentally wrong with the whole system.

Later, and good luck
cw

01-10-2020, 02:04 PM	#1
MR DERBY CITY VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Derby City, USA Posts: 3,630 Likes: 1,080 Liked 7,900 Times in 1,512 Posts	Horsepower welfare changes..... Appears as though the WELFARE line will be shortened this year.....one request per competitor per review period......huh ...??

01-10-2020, 02:32 PM	#2
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01-10-2020, 10:39 PM	#3
MikeMoller Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Raleigh NC Posts: 637 Likes: 27 Liked 254 Times in 78 Posts	Re: Horsepower welfare changes..... Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like the old spec said no decrease for 3 (or 5?) years once NHRA had increased it. Now it says no decrease considered once they have increased it. So increases are forever. However, don't think the changes will affect requests, seems like a lot of requests were submitted 'hoping' for approval but knowing they wouldn't be. __________________ Mike Moller NHRA 203 Q-R-T/SA Last edited by MikeMoller; 01-10-2020 at 10:42 PM.

01-12-2020, 03:23 PM	#4
Bobby Fazio VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Egg Harbor Township, NJ Posts: 1,467 Likes: 1,444 Liked 4,365 Times in 501 Posts	Re: Horsepower welfare changes..... "No runs made during exempt events, National Opens, test and tune, time trials, 1/8th mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review." I don't like this. So you can sandbag and go -.549 under all year and then go -1.80 under at Indy and National Opens, and still get a HP reduction. I would certainly hope this would fall under "The decision to adjust horsepower will be at the discretion of the AHFS Committee." I get it (and still think it is dumb) that Indy runs are exempt from HP increases but they should definitely be taken into account when reviewing requests for HP decreases. __________________ '65 Mustang SS/L & L/SA DriverInterviews.com \| App.DragInsights.com

01-12-2020, 09:00 PM	#7
Mepprecht Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: harleysville Posts: 70 Likes: 20 Liked 68 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Horsepower welfare changes..... almost nothing changed, only the highlighted stuff reads any different then any other year recently.... __________________ Mike Epprecht 94 caprice P/SA - SS/PA 265

01-12-2020, 10:16 PM	#8
Jim Cimarolli Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sulphur Springs Texas Posts: 742 Likes: 146 Liked 166 Times in 46 Posts	Re: Horsepower welfare changes..... Ignorance knows no evil.

01-13-2020, 12:16 AM	#9
jmantle Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Black Creek, BC Canada Posts: 331 Likes: 77 Liked 172 Times in 81 Posts	Re: Horsepower welfare changes..... [QUOTE=Bobby Fazio;606007]"No runs made during exempt events, National Opens, test and tune, time trials, 1/8th mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review." I don't see any mention of Indy so I would have to presume Indy is not exempt. Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

01-13-2020, 12:40 PM	#10
charlie westcott Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 131 Likes: 0 Liked 216 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Horsepower welfare changes..... At what point is it so complicated that someone says "hey, why cant someone use a little common sense and level it out" Its turning into an example of over complication that only a few understand, or care to even read. I got to the second sentence and threw in the towel. When People I know, go to a race, and shut off at the 1000' so they can bring the average down, then something is fundamentally wrong with the whole system. Later, and good luck cw