New FWD weight breaks! - Page 6

Ellis V Buth · 10-27-2021, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GarysZ24

I think Ellis misunderstood what I was saying. I was referring to FWD automatic Stockers vs FWD manual Stockers. I mentioned all of the recent year FWD Stocker racers who have been going rounds (and Billy just added credibility to my opinion) , and based on what I've seen, all of them have automatics in them. We've been going more rounds than manual trannied Stockers, because our cars are easier to dial what they'll actually run. I wasn't sure about Ron's car, so I looked up this years Indy and saw that he and Owen's Grand Am were automatics, to go with Bill's, Billy's, mine, Brent's and Stan's cars as well. Who's been running a manual that has been going rounds against the RWD contingent like we have? I can't think of anyone, and I try to follow everyone who campaigns a FWD Stocker as well. The race results show it for all of us.

Ah, in the banter I did miss the point between you and Yac indeed. My apologies! I believe the current majority of FWD stockers are automatics. The one exception I can think of right off is Polhill, but he's been stuck in Canada for the past couple years. But he definitely knows how to drive his stick shift car and put the RWD guys on the trailer...

Dave Noll · 10-27-2021, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellis V Buth

I believe the current majority of FWD stockers are automatics. The one exception I can think of right off is Polhill,

Yac's & mine are 5 speed sticks, besides Polhills earning us 100lbs extra to carry.

GarysZ24 · 10-27-2021, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Noll

Mine has a 5 speed in it but I have everything to put an Automatic in mine. I asked a well known supplier to build a 7" converter but they didn't have access to a pump drive hub or the spline inserts for this particular trans/converter. He told me he built several Mopar FWD units for some series back east that ran a bunch of Neons, Horizon's etc.

Was that "Turbo Action", because I know them as being the authority of Mopar Trannies (especially back in the '90's to the 2K's). I wonder if "A1 Performance Transmissions" and Converters could build you one. Better yet, I wonder what Brent or Stan, and Bill O'Connor use in their cars? I remember my engine builder Verle of "Verle Stevens Enterprises", was told by Marv Ripes (the founder of A1), to have my Turbo 125 converted from lock-up to non-lock-up, and he built me an 8" unit, that stahled up to 3600rpms. Try them, if neither of those two were the one you spoke of?

GarysZ24 · 10-27-2021, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tscheerer

So how much ET was gained from using the space saver wheels and front runners? When I was running a 94 Grand Am in C/FS over 10 yrs ago I never did that, but always wondered how much it was worth. Still have the car and was thinking about putting it back together.

I feel I've gained at least .1 to .15 from running them instead of regular wheels and tires like I used to. I use to be frequently in the first three pair to run eliminations because I was barely under my indexes (my car was originally factored at 150hp which was very hard, considering other combos were either given the same factor as their advertised hp, or no more than 10hp over O.E.M.). The wheels allow the usage of the thinner front runners that definitely reduced rolling resistance.

GarysZ24 · 10-27-2021, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Now you're missing the point . I never said FWD automatics couldn't go rounds. Especially when there are no sticks out there.Dave Noll has been local so far.
The guy in Co. went a few rounds this year. Polhill has been locked down, but has gone deep at Indy several times. Bill Drevo won a Divisional, and don't forget the biggest FWD winner yet. All of this means bupkis ..I know what I see, watching races with all the info right in front of me.
You're not going to convince me stick cars are less consistent. I've been winning races with them for almost 50 years.
Maybe you can convince Chris Knudsen or Brad Zaskowski ;-)

Kyle Tripp I believe is who you're referring to and at this years Mile High's he got the 1st round bye, but was a 2nd rnd RU. Brent also was a 2nd rnd RU, but his car was .05 closer to his dial than Kyle's.

With all due respect to your win and Bill Drevos, they were back in the '80's or '90's right? Only Steve Polhills car has been an ambassador for the manual trannies this past decade, or this one.

Mark Yacavone · 10-27-2021, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GarysZ24

Kyle Tripp I believe is who you're referring to and at this years Mile High's he got the 1st round bye, but was a 2nd rnd RU. Brent also was a 2nd rnd RU, but his car was .05 closer to his dial than Kyle's.

With all due respect to your win and Bill Drevos, they were back in the '80's or '90's right? Only Steve Polhills car has been an ambassador for the manual trannies this past decade, or this one.

Yep..Maybe a "has been" that's FOS ..We'll see soon ;-)

Mark Yacavone · 10-27-2021, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tscheerer

So how much ET was gained from using the space saver wheels and front runners? When I was running a 94 Grand Am in C/FS over 10 yrs ago I never did that, but always wondered how much it was worth. Still have the car and was thinking about putting it back together.

I don't know personally, but I wouldn't leave home without them.
Even back in the 80's ,a friend had an old tire truing machine.I used to borrow it and take regular radials and cut away most of the tread, except for a few in the middle. Of course 50 psi too .
You have to use a whole different stream of thought to build a fast FWD car. Even the alignment is opposite of what you might think. It all adds up .Don't leave anything on the table.

Dave Noll · 10-27-2021, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GarysZ24

Was that "Turbo Action", because I know them as being the authority of Mopar Trannies (especially back in the '90's to the 2K's). I wonder if "A1 Performance Transmissions" and Converters could build you one. Better yet, I wonder what Brent or Stan, and Bill O'Connor use in their cars? I remember my engine builder Verle of "Verle Stevens Enterprises", was told by Marv Ripes (the founder of A1), to have my Turbo 125 converted from lock-up to non-lock-up, and he built me an 8" unit, that stahled up to 3600rpms. Try them, if neither of those two were the one you spoke of?

Adam @ A-1 took the stock converter as far as he could go with it. I also found a mild shift improver kit for it.

But I'm having fun with this 5 speed and I still have some things to try with it. Mark knows how fast I've been with mine & that makes it hard to switch to an automatic. @ 2500lbs and I haven't had that cam ground yet or built a better header yet.

Yes I've just hit local races with this car, so far. We've had some S/SS combo's locally the last few years and I'm learning how things are run and getting to know the racers. The last few races have been sponsored by and a BIG thank you goes to Steve Hahn, and I'm just hearing better things are coming.

GarysZ24 · 10-28-2021, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Noll

Adam @ A-1 took the stock converter as far as he could go with it. I also found a mild shift improver kit for it.

But I'm having fun with this 5 speed and I still have some things to try with it. Mark knows how fast I've been with mine & that makes it hard to switch to an automatic. @ 2500lbs and I haven't had that cam ground yet.

Yes I've just hit local races with this car, so far. We've had some S/SS combo's locally the last few years and I'm learning how things are run and getting to know the racers. The last few races have been sponsored by and a BIG thank you goes to Steve Hahn, and I'm just hearing better things are coming.

Dave I'm glad you're having fun with your car/tranny combo, and I am too with mine. It's nice to have a low buck car that runs well against the more enhanced RWD Stockers of today. Don't get me wrong FWD stocker brethren, I am a fan of ALL FWD Stockers! However, I am thankful that my Turbo 125 was rebuilt
in June, 2K and hasn't needed to be touched since.

And Mark, I will be glad to see you fielding another stocker, the more the merrier. Since Consumer Reports (and other automotive media) toot the horns of the imports (especially from Japan), I am still waiting for someone to build and race them against our American branded FWD & RWD cars/trucks, and prove they're as great as the car mags claim they are, based on how consistent they'd be. I don't care about being #1 qualifier or having the quickest DF/S (CF/S next year), I want a consistent car that can give the RWD contingent fits!

As the guy from "Pinks" said, "LET'S RACE"!!!!

Billy Nees · 10-28-2021, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GarysZ24

First, a VERRRRY belated welcome to the ranks of us (to borrow from the Marines), the few, the proud, THE FWD STOCKER RACERS!

Gary, a VERRRRY belated thanks for the welcome but I've been among the ranks for a long time (maybe even longer than you!). I raced a N/A 85 Pontiac Sunbird and an 85 Turbo Sunbird a long time ago. I don't have any pics but if you go to the classracer photo gallery and search Buff Daddy Motorsports, Mike Carr has a few pics of them.