X/stock redux - Page 2

Mark Yacavone · 01-26-2023, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Henrys Toy

Good morning to all,
Would that the famous " Iron Duke " ?
I do remember working on a couple of customer cars many ( too many ) years ago with that engine in it, In the 1964 / 1965 Nova - Chevy II Bodies.
I don't remember any around Long Island N.Y. in the 66/ 67 Nova bodies or the 68 / 72 Nova bodies. I also know just because I didn't see any doesn't mean a couple didn't exist somewhere out there!
That could be pretty cool combo hooked up to a TH200 transmission.
Food for Thought, sounds fattening!
Enjoy the thought process.

Respectfully,
Henry Kunz 1534 H/SA

Nope... Often confused with The Duke, the 153 inch (151 Duke ) is a different bore and stroke. When Pontiac resurrected the econo-four concept, they did use the original tooling from the Chevy engine. Some of the parts, for instance the pan gaskets will interchange.
The first Dukes did use the Chevy bell housing pattern but then it went to the corporate FWD pattern.
Adding to the confusion, the 153 was used in mail Jeeps, as was the later 151 P.
151's were used by AMC too, before introducing their own 151.
Pontiac 151 Super Duty parts won't readily interchange with the 153 either.
The 153s were also used in marine applications. Some were of more displacement, such as the 181 Merc Cruisers.

Mark Yacavone · 05-01-2023, 08:07 PM

A couple more additions to the proposal in the Build section :-)

Mike Schwartz · 05-01-2023, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

C'mon ,boys. Time to get off the couch and put those computers to good use. Support those local combos with a dime rocket:

http://www.classracerinfo.com/CGPage...7&MAKE=Granada

Years ago, I had a '78 Fairmont 4-door with a six. A collision killed any thoughts of building it (R-T-U/SA). I did manage to win a gamblers' race at Englishtown while missing the front bumper and grille.

Billy Nees · 05-02-2023, 07:31 AM

Mark, we've got it all wrong! NHRA doesn't want any more "underclassmen" in their racing program. Apparently, we don't spend (or won't spend) enough money to interest them. They want AAA,AAAA and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/FS and Stock to keep the other end of the Eliminator happy.
Recently, I asked my new DD (a nice kid BTW) to ask about expanding the FWD classes by a couple (or few) because of the amounts of weight that I must add to change classes which basically makes my combos into single-class cars. I got a letter (through him) by Pat C. telling me that I can remove or add 420 lbs. (that's 840 lbs. in a 2600 lb. car!) to my CF/S combo to move classes. He didn't or wouldn't mention my AF/S combo (the car that I was racing on the day that I had my talk with my new DD) which requires a 1200 lb. swing to go to AAF/S or BF/S.

They don't even know their own rules, General Regulations specifically states that a car can't have more than 500 LBS. of removable OR permanent ballast. When I brought this to their attention, I got crickets!

BG56 · 05-02-2023, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Mark, we've got it all wrong! NHRA doesn't want any more "underclassmen" in their racing program. Apparently, we don't spend (or won't spend) enough money to interest them. They want AAA,AAAA and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/FS and Stock to keep the other end of the Eliminator happy.
Recently, I asked my new DD (a nice kid BTW) to ask about expanding the FWD classes by a couple (or few) because of the amounts of weight that I must add to change classes which basically makes my combos into single-class cars. I got a letter (through him) by Pat C. telling me that I can remove or add 420 lbs. to my CF/S combo to move classes. He didn't or wouldn't mention my AF/S combo (the car that I was racing on the day that I had my talk with my new DD) which requires a 1200 lb. swing to go to AAF/S or BF/S.

They don't even know their own rules, General Regulations specifically states that a car can't have more than 500 LBS. of removable OR permanent ballast. When I brought this to their attention, I got crickets!

Not to mention WHERE would you fit SIX Avg. GROWN MEN??!

Mark Yacavone · 05-02-2023, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Mark, we've got it all wrong! NHRA doesn't want any more "underclassmen" in their racing program. Apparently, we don't spend (or won't spend) enough money to interest them. They want AAA,AAAA and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/FS and Stock to keep the other end of the Eliminator happy.
Recently, I asked my new DD (a nice kid BTW) to ask about expanding the FWD classes by a couple (or few) because of the amounts of weight that I must add to change classes which basically makes my combos into single-class cars. I got a letter (through him) by Pat C. telling me that I can remove or add 420 lbs. (that's 840 lbs. in a 2600 lb. car!) to my CF/S combo to move classes. He didn't or wouldn't mention my AF/S combo (the car that I was racing on the day that I had my talk with my new DD) which requires a 1200 lb. swing to go to AAF/S or BF/S.

They don't even know their own rules, General Regulations specifically states that a car can't have more than 500 LBS. of removable OR permanent ballast. When I brought this to their attention, I got crickets!

I almost said ..unbelievable , but then again, it IS..

Tom Meyer · 05-02-2023, 03:39 PM

Seems to me there was a article about the 153 in a book that showed the things they did with them for some kind of mini sprint. They were putting a sb chevy head on it, same head gasket? And may have used 283 pistons in them. What is the bore size and stroke on the 153? I have a beat to crap 64 not rusty 4 door that is V8 car I would give to the cause. Tom

Billy Nees · 05-02-2023, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Meyer

Seems to me there was a article about the 153 in a book that showed the things they did with them for some kind of mini sprint. They were putting a sb chevy head on it, same head gasket? And may have used 283 pistons in them. What is the bore size and stroke on the 153? I have a beat to crap 64 not rusty 4 door that is V8 car I would give to the cause. Tom

Hi Tom! You would re-tap the block for the SBC head. Bore spacings are the same. A 153 and a 230 both use 283 pistons but have a 3.25 (307) stroke.

Please don't mention that '64 4 door again in front of Yac please!!!!! Bad things could happen.

Greg Reimer 7376 · 05-02-2023, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyn Smith

Just sold a 153 4 cylinder engine a few weeks ago. Pretty rare option in a Nova, but they did use that engine in postal vans. It was an
option up to 1970 in the Novas.

Seems to me that the 4 cyl.Chevy powered postal van/truck also came mounted up to a 904 Torqueflite trans with a Chevy bell housing on the TF case. I guess cores are pretty rare, but it might be something to consider and start looking for.

Tom Meyer · 05-02-2023, 06:51 PM

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Please don't mention that '64 4 door again in front of Yac please!!!!! Bad things could happen.[/QUOTE]

Loge is headed that way, could send it. Tom

05-01-2023, 08:07 PM	#12
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,817 Likes: 2,907 Liked 5,125 Times in 1,953 Posts	Re: X/stock redux A couple more additions to the proposal in the Build section :-) __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

05-02-2023, 07:31 AM	#14
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,496 Likes: 3,600 Liked 7,756 Times in 1,741 Posts	Re: X/stock redux Mark, we've got it all wrong! NHRA doesn't want any more "underclassmen" in their racing program. Apparently, we don't spend (or won't spend) enough money to interest them. They want AAA,AAAA and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/FS and Stock to keep the other end of the Eliminator happy. Recently, I asked my new DD (a nice kid BTW) to ask about expanding the FWD classes by a couple (or few) because of the amounts of weight that I must add to change classes which basically makes my combos into single-class cars. I got a letter (through him) by Pat C. telling me that I can remove or add 420 lbs. (that's 840 lbs. in a 2600 lb. car!) to my CF/S combo to move classes. He didn't or wouldn't mention my AF/S combo (the car that I was racing on the day that I had my talk with my new DD) which requires a 1200 lb. swing to go to AAF/S or BF/S. They don't even know their own rules, General Regulations specifically states that a car can't have more than 500 LBS. of removable OR permanent ballast. When I brought this to their attention, I got crickets! __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K Last edited by Billy Nees; 05-02-2023 at 11:35 AM.

05-02-2023, 03:39 PM	#17
Tom Meyer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pierce NE Posts: 936 Likes: 78 Liked 354 Times in 120 Posts	Re: X/stock redux Seems to me there was a article about the 153 in a book that showed the things they did with them for some kind of mini sprint. They were putting a sb chevy head on it, same head gasket? And may have used 283 pistons in them. What is the bore size and stroke on the 153? I have a beat to crap 64 not rusty 4 door that is V8 car I would give to the cause. Tom __________________ Tom Meyer 5240 SS Stock ???

05-02-2023, 06:51 PM	#20
Tom Meyer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pierce NE Posts: 936 Likes: 78 Liked 354 Times in 120 Posts	Re: X/stock redux [ Please don't mention that '64 4 door again in front of Yac please!!!!! Bad things could happen.[/QUOTE] Loge is headed that way, could send it. Tom __________________ Tom Meyer 5240 SS Stock ???