Factory experimental

[Bruce Noland]

I think one of these cars in Stock is too many.

We fight tooth and nail with nhra for common sense application of their rules and then they throw the rule book out the window to allow an After Market Super Stock car to run in Stock. This one is clearly a class killer and nhra could give a rats behind. What about their rules?

We get beat up over pistons, heads, intakes, etc. and yet these new After Market cars can run anything they want. Why should we have to worry about our parts being exact when these new cars are getting away with this stuff?

[goinbroke2]

Been gone a while, come back and read this.

What's the best thing that could happen to S&SS? Get the factories involved again. Oh yeah others wrote, a new mustang running a camaro and a challenger! WOW too cool! Maybe it would open up some eyes and finally get at least some recognition and respect. Yeah, can't wait.....

Couple months later the cars are in the guide...and the whiners who whine about EVERYTHING have something new to whine about. You guys are un frigging believable! Big Daddy is going to race a mopar in STOCK, the factories are getting involved, new cars,new blood etc is coming to S/SS and you guys piss and moan???

HOLY %^&*!

A front engine dragster to bracket race is looking more appealing after reading this crap. Go back 50 pages/a year ago or so and reread some threads. Same guys bitching about something else which at that point in time "will ruin class racing". Go back a 100 pages, yup the same group, only a NEW thing to bitch about. 200 pages....yup

Let's see, fords/paper cars, waaa. 305hp too low, waaa. carb/inj, waaa. turbo's, waaaa. A vette that never hit the track yet got 75hp off and will dominate EVERTHING!, waaaa. adj buttons, waaa. alum heads,waa. aftermarket brakes, waaa

On and on it goes.

IF THE CARS ARE IN THE GUIDE THEN THEY ARE ALLOWED TO RACE, IF THEY ARE NOT THEN THEY CAN'T! PERIOD!

When you have new cars coming out with unheard of hp, what are you going to do? What about the guy running a stock flathead who see's the hemi? WAAAAA, I have 85hp and he has 425hp, that car shouldn't be allowed! The factories will ruin everything! See the new ecoboost flex coming out in 2010? 355HP!!
Yes that's right, a frigging minivan with a twin turbo 355hp v-6 from the factory!

There is a reason pre 60 cars are not in the guide anymore (I know 55 chebby's) point is, a well set up inline 8 buick just won't compete to a screaming 2.3L turbo or a 305 etc. Stop all the personal agenda's, let the legal cars run.


[flaming in 3...2...1...]

[Bruce Noland]

Says the man with no dog in the hunt.

[Chuck Beach]

Well said Goinbroke2, welcome back ...

[bill dedman]

Reminds me of the guy who stands off to one side and says, "Let's you and him fight!!!"

You don't have to have an agenda OR a dog in the hunt to realize that "Stock" carries with it the implication that the cars racing in that eliminator will have come down an assembly line at some point in their lives, as COMPLETE CARS....

Stock Eliminator was never intended for cars created as purpose-built race cars by the aftermarket.

That's not whining (and, why would I; I don't run a car in Stock Eliminator), it's just fact.

[Bruce Noland]

What Bill said!

SSJA,

It makes a lot of difference when you have dumped a lot of time and money into a project to see it blown away by a greedy OEM and the other guy hasn't invested a nickel.

Chuck,

It's nice to see you have become such a magnanimous old soul in your old age.

[Alan Roehrich]

Ah yes, a song by the master of all whiners. A whiner with a nasal tone, and a bad case of permanently stoned.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by 1664SSJA

Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'.
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'.
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'.
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin'.
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'.

" The pump don't work 'cause the vandals took the handle"

[Billy Nees]

Bucket? I like my old bucket. It still does everything that I need a bucket to do. I also like the fact that I can still s**t in my bucket and throw it all over your shiny pumper truck!

[Bruce Noland]

GoingBroke,

You don't get it do you? I guess you don't get it because you don't have anything invested in this issue.

And NO I don't think this is all about ME. You can come up with all these oddball comments, but you have not offered anything to this discussion. NO you don't have to agree with me but it is important for all of us to note that you have nothing to lose from your point of view.

This issue of After Market Super Stock Cars in Stock harms dozens of racers and it is important that we understand what Ford and nhra are up to. Now from your selfish point of view it is okay for a willful nhra to allow these After Market Super Stock Cars to run in STOCK. Even though this corrupt decision by nhra will turn millions of dollars of great race cars in to glorified door stops. And NO this issue is not all about me. It's about ALL of us who have worked hard, spent our hard earned dollars to build these damn cars to nhra specifications only to be back stabbed by a greedy sanctioning body and OEM's. It's total crap and you can sit back and chuckle all you want but this corrupt behavior by nhra and Ford is hurting a lot of racers. You guys don't have to like my suggestion for putting these cars in a Factory Experimental class, however, they should not be in our regular Stock classes. These cars don't represent a slight change in the way we race. They are category killers. And in the end you will see that it impacts all the classes not just the AA and A classes. I'm sure nhra would love to see these Super Stockers in the hands of enough millionaires where they could dump all the classes and pass them off to the public as the New Stock Eliminator.

Good luck!