Takin control of our own destiny.

[Just Observing]

Originally Posted by Nitro Joe Jackson

Lets do it Buck, you know i know what to do.

Does that include heads up run during Elimnations?

I know at previous events you have organized that same class cars have not ran heads up in eliminations but dialed in instead. Alot of class racers I know would not go for that!

[Joey Bohannon]

If NHRA is in such bad shape couldn't the loss of Stock and SuperStock drive the final nail in the coffin. I for one like the idea but I would not like to assist in the demise in the NHRA. Let the cars fall where they may and lets do something then. Just my .02

Joe B

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Joey Bohannon

If NHRA is in such bad shape couldn't the loss of Stock and SuperStock drive the final nail in the coffin. I for one like the idea but I would not like to assist in the demise in the NHRA. Let the cars fall where they may and lets do something then. Just my .02

Joe B

Joey, I'm afraid this is THE ONLY way something like this will happen.

[stage1scott]

at least 10 years ago, maybe longer, LACR (now defunct, yes it was a dive) was supposed to go IHRA. I was actually quite excited byt the possibility of a non-nhra track right in the NHRA's backyard and possibly some differnt direction and thinking. It did not come to pass, and the reason I was given was INSURANCE!! the track operator could nly get insurance in this market with a tie to NHRA. without thier sanction, no one would issue aliability policy. any track operators here, please chime in and correct me if I am wrong. Without a proven sanctioning body, liability insurance for the track may not be available. OTOH, I HATE No Hot Rods Allowed for the way they treat sportsman racers, and partly because of this, I haven't had a stocker since 1977.

[Greg Hill]

Joey stock and super stock are not going to be the reason for NHRA to fail. All this thread was intended to do is start a conversation that we need to think about what could happen to us if something happened to NHRA. Mark you are 100% correct that racers need to support their local stock and super stock races and I intend to do that this year. Local or regional organizations would only be a way to maybe get more people together for their common interests. Having a series with a points competition, awards and money might encourage racers to support the local or regional format. In my area we already have two tracks that run combo races. If we could find maybe two more maybe one in Indiana and one in Ohio, and have a couple of races a month, this would be great for the southern part of div. 3. The northern part of D3 could be Martin, Milan, Stanton and maybe Joliet or Norwalk.

All that keeps us from doing this is imagination and work.We've got a racers party this weekend here in Louisville and I intend to talk to a bunch of racers about this very matter. I think this is something all of us need to be thinking about. This is something positive we could do to make our sport better.

Greg

[Nitro Joe Jackson]

Here’s the deal on this, yes we can put SS/Stock races together, set dates, pay some good money, always was $100 entry fee, paying back $1,500 to win, $750 runner up, and $50 a round won after round one, if you get 30 cars it pays the bill with no problem, ok now the bad side of this............
First off if who ever runs these deals, make sure you pay the racers at the event, (some knows what I'm saying there)
One person runs the deal, ladders, runs lanes, and makes the calls if needed.

Biggest problem is car count, when you put one of these things on everybody and there brother say they will come and support it, when the gates open you get 15 cars and holding your ***. Ask Kenny Shawver, Tony DePillo and others that have tried to start up a SS/Stock series.

Dave Ley has the best damn SS/Stock series (ECSSSA) going in the country right now and all you need to do is copy his gig. Everybody gets 2 TT's runs, they get laddered I think after round one, and go have fun.
BTW SS/Stock series in Florida sounds good also. (SSSA)

This is just my take on this, BIG thing, pay the racers!!!!!!!!! At the end of the event.

[Greg Hill]

At Bowling Green we have between 40 and 50 cars most of the time. I also thnk if we had an association with points, awards, and money to the top points earners for the year you could increase your attendance.

Greg

[Nitro Joe Jackson]

Greg knowing the rich history of SS & Stock racing in your area down at BG & Music City, and other tracks, there would be no problem at all running a series in that area.

BTW, Nitro Lounge can stay in KY all summer, lol , hint, hint, lol

[Dick Butler]

The Bowling Green, Music city area is one thing. Cars are there and enjoy it. My only observation is what is different from the current NHRA deal. Same rules, Same track, no sponsors, self pay racing and still the dial in racing.Another Participant program. The issues are the same just different location, no complaining as it is a place to race but no major changes or long range planning just tracks providing a location for same racing , same rules.
Not complaining just an observation. Dave Ley doing something different? I doubt it guys just having a place to race in their area more often with organized payout methods. A parallel series of Same rules, cars and better support for S and SS racing by the racers. Still a participant supported program.
I feel to grow, acquire sponsors again, acquire spectator appeal, Sportsman racing needs some % of return to racing that got people involed to begin with. Heads up as a constant part of the program.Brand conflict. This might not include all people or cars but it could bring benefits to ALL who like Sportsman racing by increasing recognition.
Biggest draw backs, Money invested by all with current rules, Habit patterns and fixed thinking.

[Dave Turner]

Originally Posted by Nitro Joe Jackson

Here’s the deal on this, yes we can put SS/Stock races together, set dates, pay some good money, always was $100 entry fee, paying back $1,500 to win, $750 runner up, and $50 a round won after round one, if you get 30 cars it pays the bill with no problem, ok now the bad side of this............
First off if who ever runs these deals, make sure you pay the racers at the event, (some knows what I'm saying there)
One person runs the deal, ladders, runs lanes, and makes the calls if needed.

Biggest problem is car count, when you put one of these things on everybody and there brother say they will come and support it, when the gates open you get 15 cars and holding your ***. Ask Kenny Shawver, Tony DePillo and others that have tried to start up a SS/Stock series.

Dave Ley has the best damn SS/Stock series (ECSSSA) going in the country right now and all you need to do is copy his gig. Everybody gets 2 TT's runs, they get laddered I think after round one, and go have fun.
BTW SS/Stock series in Florida sounds good also. (SSSA)

This is just my take on this, BIG thing, pay the racers!!!!!!!!! At the end of the event.

I think the blueprint for a successful Stock/SS combo format has foundation in a number of the current organisations. The Can-Am Stock/Super Stock Series in Ontario was founded in 1996 by F.J. Smith and is supported by a host of racers, many of whom have been participants since its inception. The average car count is consistently in the 25-30 range, and the competition is fierce. Without this group's existence, I would not be able to justify owning and racing a Stock Eliminator car.