Factory experimental

Jack Matyas · 01-21-2009, 04:03 PM

Bruce -- First of all I hope you don't think this is a personal attack on you . Second -- what if I'm wrong -- no shucks about it -- it always catches up -- its never too late to fix a problem .
As for the Factory Experimental class -- I'm sure you understand that has no chance whatsoever in becoming a class . No , I'm not being NHRA stubborn -- just realistic .

As for disecting bsa633's post my point was and still is that we should stick to real facts --not maybe's .And I surely believe he is entitled to his opinion -- whatever that may be .

George Wright · 01-21-2009, 04:35 PM

junior barns · 01-21-2009, 04:40 PM

and still went 10.20"s

Unless I got lucky; I was just kidding!!

Bruce Noland · 01-21-2009, 05:22 PM

Bill,
You're right. The Horsepower rating is the real problem. I think Evan agrees the Horsepower is soft.

Ed Wright · 01-21-2009, 05:38 PM

If NHRA or IHRA wanted to, they could take one to a chassis dyno and see what they make at the tires. The LT1 and LS1 cars made more at the rear tires than the factory flywheel ratings. Should be off about 15% with a stick car. My everyday driver is an untouched '98 WS6 (ram air) LS1 automatic Trans Am convert. It makes 326 at the tires. A decent stick version makes closer to 340. What are they finally factored at now?? Even if they started off with the rwhp numbers, it would surely be closer than what Ford (or any mfgr) rates them.

Won't make everybody happy, but would be closer than advertised hp for sure. Could save a year or more with the AHFS handling it. Might cost somebody an hour's worth of time. You would want an untouched vehicle, not one that could have been de-tuned by the mfgr or racer before be presented for testing. NASCAR uses a Dynojet just like mine for spot testing cup cars after races to keep the different brands competitive with each other. Simplest thing it the world to do. The numbers can't be skewed by the operator as with many other brands.

goinbroke2 · 01-21-2009, 06:52 PM

Maybe nhra decided to drop them into Stock instead of coming out with a new F/X class because....well...mopar is now owned by fiat and basically broke and gm ain't far behind. The camaro was delayed because of an interior part couldn't be supplied because the supplier went bankrupt. When will the camaro be out...WILL it be out...will gm and mopar spend on dragracing when the braindeads in congress could get wind of it?

Let it run and then bitch...how can everyone be so upset when it hasn't even been in competition yet.

Oh yeah, it's a damn ford!

Bruce Noland · 01-21-2009, 07:19 PM

This isn't about a specific OEM - it's about a fair classification process. Sure some combinations will come up soft but I can't remember one being as far off as this car. Nothing personal at all. These cars may have some problems in the beginning, but you have to look at the caliber of people who are working on them. Then you know the best performance is right around the corner. John can straighten out anything with wheels. Let's watch.

01-21-2009, 04:03 PM	#1
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,931 Likes: 407 Liked 2,052 Times in 400 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Bruce -- First of all I hope you don't think this is a personal attack on you . Second -- what if I'm wrong -- no shucks about it -- it always catches up -- its never too late to fix a problem . As for the Factory Experimental class -- I'm sure you understand that has no chance whatsoever in becoming a class . No , I'm not being NHRA stubborn -- just realistic . As for disecting bsa633's post my point was and still is that we should stick to real facts --not maybe's .And I surely believe he is entitled to his opinion -- whatever that may be . __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO

01-21-2009, 04:35 PM	#2
George Wright Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 185 Likes: 10 Liked 408 Times in 35 Posts	Re: Factory experimental __________________ George Wright https://9500rpm.com

01-21-2009, 04:40 PM	#3
junior barns Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 541 Likes: 11 Liked 20 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Factory experimental and still went 10.20"s Unless I got lucky; I was just kidding!!

01-21-2009, 05:22 PM	#4
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Bill, You're right. The Horsepower rating is the real problem. I think Evan agrees the Horsepower is soft. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

01-21-2009, 05:38 PM	#5
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Factory experimental If NHRA or IHRA wanted to, they could take one to a chassis dyno and see what they make at the tires. The LT1 and LS1 cars made more at the rear tires than the factory flywheel ratings. Should be off about 15% with a stick car. My everyday driver is an untouched '98 WS6 (ram air) LS1 automatic Trans Am convert. It makes 326 at the tires. A decent stick version makes closer to 340. What are they finally factored at now?? Even if they started off with the rwhp numbers, it would surely be closer than what Ford (or any mfgr) rates them. Won't make everybody happy, but would be closer than advertised hp for sure. Could save a year or more with the AHFS handling it. Might cost somebody an hour's worth of time. You would want an untouched vehicle, not one that could have been de-tuned by the mfgr or racer before be presented for testing. NASCAR uses a Dynojet just like mine for spot testing cup cars after races to keep the different brands competitive with each other. Simplest thing it the world to do. The numbers can't be skewed by the operator as with many other brands. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

01-21-2009, 06:52 PM	#6
goinbroke2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NS CANADA Posts: 892 Likes: 1,637 Liked 393 Times in 153 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Maybe nhra decided to drop them into Stock instead of coming out with a new F/X class because....well...mopar is now owned by fiat and basically broke and gm ain't far behind. The camaro was delayed because of an interior part couldn't be supplied because the supplier went bankrupt. When will the camaro be out...WILL it be out...will gm and mopar spend on dragracing when the braindeads in congress could get wind of it? Let it run and then bitch...how can everyone be so upset when it hasn't even been in competition yet. Oh yeah, it's a damn ford!

01-21-2009, 07:19 PM	#7
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Factory experimental This isn't about a specific OEM - it's about a fair classification process. Sure some combinations will come up soft but I can't remember one being as far off as this car. Nothing personal at all. These cars may have some problems in the beginning, but you have to look at the caliber of people who are working on them. Then you know the best performance is right around the corner. John can straighten out anything with wheels. Let's watch. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

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