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[MPR]

Taylor, I agree completely. The NHRA has no intentions of eliminating the 40 year old stuff but it is called Stock Eliminator and all the new car brands should and will be represented.
The NHRA does have a horse power factoring system which has been implemented many times in the past. If and when the Cobra Jet runs quick enough, the adjustment will be made but it needs to happen first.
It’s hard to believe there are NHRA racers that would like to factor another fellow participant before they ever make a single run. Bruce, are you saying the NHRA hasn’t classified the Cobra Jet in a fair and honest manner. I’m not sure where your info came from but I trust the NHRA has as much info as the rest of us. I’m sure they will do the right thing as soon as the CJ earns its punishment.
Ed, why should new high horse power cars run only in super stock? If the factory is building them for stock and they are, what’s wrong with that? After 40 years I would hope the auto industry can give us stuff that can out run the antiques. Yes, no new classes in stock! It would be great to see an F/X class in Super Stock for new Mustang, Camaro and Challenger to race against each other. Maybe someday when the industry rebounds this might happen.
For now I think Fords efforts are great for the entire sport and the NHRA. Hopefully the Hemi Challenger will begin to appear at the races and again give some people something to complain about. Face it, in order for Stock to be just that, Stock, new body and engine styles need to be competing at the races. History needs to be afforded the opportunity to repeat itself like in the 60’s and 70’s. New cars not 40 year old cars made Stock Eliminator what it is. I know we are all getting older but ask your self, how many 1920’s cars were in the parking lot when you went to high school?

[Bruce Noland]

The ahfs is a joke. It would take years to catch up to the CJs. Citing the ahfs as an excuse to allow in a grossly under factored car isn't going to work. I don't think anybody knows what nhra is going to do from one minute to the next. Ask Hoosier and MT. The problem isn't that nhra will run the older cars off. The cars they are trying to put into Stock will do that for them. After market cars and grossly under rated cars don't belong in regular Stock classes.

[goinbroke2]

I heard one just made a 8.50 170mph pass!!






Well everybody else is throwing bull**** numbers and causing controversy just for the sake of keeping the panic alive I thought I'd add to it.


If you look at the posts, there are certainly more saying "let them run and then sort them out" than there are screaming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling". And what happens when after 3 passes the u-joints blow because they're too small or some other type crap? What if they can't get them hooked up? We can "what if" all day both ways. "What if, they run really good" or "what if they run really bad". How about "let them run and lets see" like was posted about a thousand posts ago! We WILL find out shortly!

Has anybody else heard of these 800hp numbers, first hand? I'm just curious because I did some searching and can't find that number anywhere.

[Larry Hill]

Bruce I did not realise that you had a dog in the fight. It sure is funny how a "Paper Car" in your class changes your point of view. How would you like to try to compete with 39 year old cast iron heads. Enjoy ! See you at the races, you can beat my old stuff!

[Tom P]

Maybe the Ford guy saw your "Chevy Power" T-shirt and the Bowtie tattoo and told you 800hp to shoo you away. There is no way it makes that 800hp in legal Stock trim.

[Bruce Noland]

Junebug,
I was wearing a suit during the SEMA Show.

This thread has been running for a week now and I've stuck with my responsibility of responding as best I can. After a period of time, it becomes easy for some clown to blow stuff bye me but I do know what I was wearing. Thank you for your very enlightened response.

[GUMP]

Has anyone heard about the new Ford 6.2 L (N/A) big block being tested in these cars? That would probably be the "right" combination for the next batch of Mustang Stockers don't you think?

[junior barns]

Bart Kilgaine said:

"If they run any kind of big numbers they are going to get hit with horse power,therefore they end up in Super Stock.There is no higher class in stock ! "

This is true and why these cars will be in AA and A/S classes for quite sometime as the NHRA will not factor them out( in the fore-see'able future)!

[Bill Edgeworth]

Originally Posted by junior barns

Bart Kilgaine said:

"If they run any kind of big numbers they are going to get hit with horse power,therefore they end up in Super Stock.There is no higher class in stock ! "

This is true and why these cars will be in AA and A/S classes for quite sometime as the NHRA will not factor them out( in the fore-see'able future)!

I brought this up about 300 posts ago. ALL they need to drop below 7.5#/hp is 7 horsepower. That’s less than a 1.5% increase. If they go more than 1.15 under which by all the intel they certainly are capable they will be up for review. 1.4 and the Monday morning hit will put them under the 7.5 I have no dog in this fight but from my perspective these cars are really just a short term threat to all the hard work you guys have put into getting you’re A and AA cars into the second under club.
BUT where I could be wrong is if the NHRA decided to hit the index instead of giving them horsepower therefore allowing the cars to stay in stock.

The following is from the AHFS section on the NHRA website;

“Runs of 1.40 or more under the index will be reviewed and adjusted as soon as such runs were made. Runs at divisional events and National Opens are included in the 1.40-second-or-more-under analysis. This is done to better react to any out-of-line indexes or under-horsepowered combinations. Therefore, at all such events, a 3.25 percent horsepower adjustment or index reduction will be initiated immediately. The decision to adjust horsepower or to reduce the index will be at the discretion of the NHRA Tech Department. “
Last year the fastest A car was Dale Howard @ 1.145 under and the fastest AA was Bobby DeArmond at 1.028 under this was in 1800-1900 feet of air. Based on what people have said in this thread about the numbers these Mustangs have run in testing they should be capable of 1.4 under in Pomona.
Maybe they will all sandbag at Pomona and then let it all hang out once they get to an altitude track where they won’t have to worry about the AHFS.
If they do choose to hit the indexes to accommodate these cars it will suck for you guys the class will become the SS/AH of stock.

[David Ley]

Bill, Just because they go below the 7.5 weight break it does NOT knock them out of the Class. They can add the weight to make AA. If you look at the 68 Cuda with the Race Hemi with Auto trans. it's factor is 5.96. They add the weight to make the 6.00 weight break for SS/AH. Just wanted to clear that up.