2008 Cobra Jets belong in Stock

[Tim Kish]

You think people are crying about the Cobra Jets, allow a ZR1 corvette to run Stock. Since from the factory this car has: Titanium Rods, Titanium Valves, CNC ported heads, a dry sump oil system, tubular exhaust manifolds that are as good as most headers and the same demon blower as the Cobra Jet ( different housing but same size displacement blower). And come to think of it, with all that and at a larger displacement than the Cobra Jet (6.2L vs 5.4) its only rated at 638HP. And to get that 638HP the factory exhaust system has vacuum actuated cutouts to bypass the mufflers.

The key everyone keeps missing is that NHRA's system uses what they call a HP rating but if there is a single car out there that actually only produces the rated HP level it can't run the index. These new performance cars come from the factory with a large percentage of the tricks that get Stockers to the level they are today as legal mods above and beyond the base HP rating. As such they can not be compared on the same scale.

[Rusty Gillis]

The point I was trying to make is if you can buy it new from the dealer Ford, Chevy or Dodge NHRA should have a class for it in stock if the manufacture provides HP and shipping weights. There needs to be a place in stock for these 500 +++ HP new cars.

[Bruce Noland]

Good point. I agree. But nhra staff needs to do their homework as well. They accepted the 425 Horsepower rating from the Ford Parts people without question.

[goinbroke2]

Gotta get one last jab at the fords eh Bruce?

I said this in the LAST thread about the CJ's, Start off at 5lb's for A and go to Z. We don't need AA or any additional numbers if the factor starts in the right place. A is the fastest at 5 per hp and Z can be 28 and up or whatever.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by goinbroke2

Gotta get one last jab at the fords eh Bruce?

I said this in the LAST thread about the CJ's, Start off at 5lb's for A and go to Z. We don't need AA or any additional numbers if the factor starts in the right place. A is the fastest at 5 per hp and Z can be 28 and up or whatever.

Do you think the CJ debate is over? BTW you missed the point. It was about nhra staff doing their job(s)!

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by goinbroke2

Gotta get one last jab at the fords eh Bruce?

I said this in the LAST thread about the CJ's, Start off at 5lb's for A and go to Z. We don't need AA or any additional numbers if the factor starts in the right place. A is the fastest at 5 per hp and Z can be 28 and up or whatever.

Does that mean a '68 HEMI 'Cuda or Hemi Dart can run C/S if 5 lbs is A and 5.5 lbs is B and 6 lbs is C since they made about 100 copies. Maybe a 7 lb class '64 Ford T-Bolt (100 copies again) or '69 AMX?????

[Larry Munk]

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH and I want my supercharged Mini Cooper for A/FS and I want a Class for DIESEL DODGE PICK-UPS and a Class for rollerskates and a class for skateboards and snowmobiles and Golf Carts every body's got one lets include them too! STOCK NEEDS TO ELVOLVE, why do we need all these old fashoned rules throw them out start all over no more rules lets just call it Super ET.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Larry Munk

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH and I want my supercharged Mini Cooper for A/FS and I want a Class for DIESEL DODGE PICK-UPS and a Class for rollerskates and a class for skateboards and snowmobiles and Golf Carts every body's got one lets include them too! STOCK NEEDS TO ELVOLVE, why do we need all these old fashoned rules throw them out start all over no more rules lets just call it Super ET.

Way to go Larry.Dont stop now,give 'em both barrels.How about AGEVT/S (A gas-electric-variable transmission/Stock) for starters.Or SW/WB DW/WB (single wheel and double wheel wheel barrow.
The possibilities are endless.

Ed F.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Does that mean a '68 HEMI 'Cuda or Hemi Dart can run C/S if 5 lbs is A and 5.5 lbs is B and 6 lbs is C since they made about 100 copies. Maybe a 7 lb class '64 Ford T-Bolt (100 copies again) or '69 AMX?????

RE: The '68 S/S Mopars...
Why not? Put the chassis back to the way it came "STOCK" (no wheel tubs, no 4-links, just S/S springs, and run them on 9" tires, like everybody else, with stock-lift flat tappet cams, no ported heads, and cross-ram, stock intake manifolds and see how well they run....

Ditto the T-Bolts, except for the intake... Gotta have a stock-spec 427 Hi-Rise manifold...

Can't wait to see how they hook!!! LOL!

[goinbroke2]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Does that mean a '68 HEMI 'Cuda or Hemi Dart can run C/S if 5 lbs is A and 5.5 lbs is B and 6 lbs is C since they made about 100 copies. Maybe a 7 lb class '64 Ford T-Bolt (100 copies again) or '69 AMX?????

ABSOLUTELY!!!

THAT is my point exactly! Yes the hemi's will get their ego's bruised, but if a new car (600+hp corvette or mustang or camaro, challenger whatever) comes out it should have a place to race. When an AWD minivan comes out with 355hp from the factory (eco boost flex) and runs in the 10's with tweeking, what are you going to do? A four door twin turbo fusion sport tweeked for class runs in the 10's? You have to realize that technology is making new cars faster/quicker/more efficient/etc.

Do you want nascar? Pushrods and carb's only? Forever? Yeah we can dumb down classracing so the hemi can always be the pinnacle and get all the limelight, but don't you think it will be a little silly when a factory muscle car eventually outruns it?

1963 racers are running all out flathead racecars and a factory 427/421/426/whatever pulls up and outruns them, what did they do, outlaw the factory cars? Think that NO CAR WILL RUN THE 12'S FROM THE FACTORY! No they moved on and embraced technology.

The hey days of class racing just might be back, yeah there is a perceived advantage for ford this year. Next year it could be mopar with the challenger underrated. Maybe 2011 will be chevies response to ford and mopar!
GUYS it's like 1960 all over. And from '60-'70 each took their turn at the top of the heap only to be replaced by the next ringer from the next manufacturer.