Next Debate.

[Sean Kennedy]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I see Ford has a 2010 Taurus SHO coming out with the Eco-tech 3.5L using TWIN turbo's and developing 375 HP! I don't know squat about this engine but it has a 6-speed auto-trans and AWD. I'd bet my last $100 that 450HP is a hand-held programer, exhaust & air filter away.
Hope the block and heads aren't some thin casting POS!
Geez, even Hundai has some 375 HP made in Korea engine. What's this world coming too?

American cars are no longer the pinnacle of design and technology. We have some serious work to do to catch up with Europe and Asia.

I'm sure I will catch some heat for this, but it's true. They have been building better passenger cars for 20 or 30 years and better performance in many cases for the last 10 or so.

I'm no foreign car lover, I just know when to call a spade a spade.

[Wayne Kerr]

Guys,
I'm going to let you in on a little information;
1) Yes, more boost can make more power, but just like your air compressor, pressure makes heat, there is a point where the gains in boost are artificial due to the added heat. Tim Kish can tell you exactly when this occurs.

2) If you work on flowing more air into your cylinders, your boost actually goes down, and get this, your power goes up. So give up on the boost limiting idea.

3) Superchargers are not controlled like a turbocharger with a waste gate, therefore the manifold pressure changes with atmospheric pressure, it simply increases the atmospheric pressure by a given amount irrespective of barometer. Bottom line, the supercharged cars behave just like a normally aspirated combination with changes to weather. Turbocharged cars use the waste gate to control to manifold absolute pressure, and therefore can maintain consistent boost pressures regardless of atmospheric pressure.

4) Do you know why most of the "desireable" combinations in Stock and Super Stock are primarily based on engines that were not the "Hi Perf" versions like the '70 LS-6? They are based on the weaker lower performance offerings. The weaker engines are farther from their ultimate performance potential. This is where the NHRA's horsepower factoring system is flawed. The high performance combinations are handicapped from the minute the numbers hit the book. The new engines coming from the automakers are all high performance and are way closer to their power potential than any of the engines from the musclecar era.

That's all for now.
See you at the races,
Wayne Kerr

[bill dedman]

Wayne Kerr said:

>>>"The high performance combinations are handicapped from the minute the numbers hit the book."

Depends on what the numbers are, Wayne.

Just how "handicapped" do you think the 2008 Cobra Jets are?

Ask some of the people who run in Class against those supercharged ponys and see if you can find ONE who thinks the new CJ's are "handicapped."

How do you justify your comment about high performance cars being "handicapped" in the case of these formidable Mustangs? If you think they're actually "handicapped," you may be a cult of one....

[GUMP]

Just how "handicapped" do you think the 2008 Cobra Jets are?

Maybe you should give your oppinion on what the Cobra Jet HP should be?

[lstanford]

I think this is the "point" of this debate. The supercharged and turbocharged cars are the wave of the future. How do we meld them into the Stock and Superstock classes. I think by the end of this year that the CJ Mustang will show its capability especially if one shows up in SS/B form. I believe the twin turbo, direct injected V6 Ecoboost engine is more of a threat in S/S and Stock than the CJ. Ford will be putting this engine in a Mustang that anyone can buy off the showroom floor in the next year. The potential of this engine will be mind boggling. Ford was on the right track with turbocharging in the 80's (SVO Mustang) but now with dual OHC's, direct injection , two turbos and a quantum leap in electronics have made this a formidable piece. I think we can all bitch and moan but it's not going to change whats coming in our sport. My hat is off to Ford for being on the cutting edge of power adders with small cubic inch motors and world class technology and most importantly staying off the government nipple. Ronzello may not be the only one racing a V6 Ford in the future. I wonder if this piece will turn 12 grand in the lights. Lol. This is really motorcycle technology. Maybe there's room in the bike classes.

[X-TECH MAN]

[QUOTE=FECARMAN; now with dual OHC's, direct injection , two turbos and a quantum leap in electronics have made this a formidable piece.This is really motorcycle technology. Maybe there's room in the bike classes.[/QUOTE]

Yeah...Kind of like the "Crotch Rockets" of today. I can smell "BURNNING RICE" in the air already ! I bet they will sound like a pissed off bee to. Weeeeeeeee Bing Bing.

[junior barns]

FECARMAN said about Ford

"most importantly staying off the government nipple."

Ford will be on the govt nipple before the end of trhe year!!

As for what is coming down the road combo's, as i said before, it is the future like it or not. But, these cars need to be rated properly on HP! NHRA may act like dumb ***'s but they know what is going on!!

They just dont care