GM axes performance division

[Sean Kennedy]

After they ended the GMPP and AC Delco sponsorships of drag racing last year I decided I will no longer be supporting GM in any way.

In our family we have 4 Chevys. Other than the minivan stocker project, we don't own anything but GM products.

I will never buy a new GM vehicle ever , or use a GM part on any of my vehicles unless I have no other options. Not even an AC Delco spark plug or oil filter.

If I can ever afford a new truck it will be Ford, or even possibly Toyota.

[Colin Wigle]

Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy

After they ended the GMPP and AC Delco sponsorships of drag racing last year I decided I will no longer be supporting GM in any way.

In our family we have 4 Chevys. Other than the minivan stocker project, we don't own anything but GM products.

I will never buy a new GM vehicle ever , or use a GM part on any of my vehicles unless I have no other options. Not even an AC Delco spark plug or oil filter.

If I can ever afford a new truck it will be Ford, or even possibly Toyota.

Thats the way to support your brand through tough times!!!

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy

After they ended the GMPP and AC Delco sponsorships of drag racing last year I decided I will no longer be supporting GM in any way.

In our family we have 4 Chevys. Other than the minivan stocker project, we don't own anything but GM products.

I will never buy a new GM vehicle ever , or use a GM part on any of my vehicles unless I have no other options. Not even an AC Delco spark plug or oil filter.

If I can ever afford a new truck it will be Ford, or even possibly Toyota.

While you're at it hold your breath and jump up and down.

[Steve Williams]

When things were good it was everybody's friend (the big three). But when things go bad the true colors come out and people with no knowledge whatsoever about the GM problem throw rocks. Paul-What do you know about the UAW? Why is this their fault? Ed-You might get your wish and when the others fall( and trust me they will) you will be stuck driving a generic Foreign piece of crap. Tow with one of these so called trucks from the Japanese automakers and let me know how it works out. Sean-Get a grip, the cutting back was a necessary evil to save a few dollars and last that I seen KJ was still sporting their colors. Am I wrong? Jeff-thanks for the post, the article is an interesting one and something that in my town has been known for months. Their is plenty of blame to go around in this deal, so research it and then blame all guilty parties. BREAKING NEWS-Toyota is laying off people in the United States! You gentlemen (not including Jeff Lee) have not a clue about what the deal is about this GM crisis and what the consequences could be if GM falls. I see it everyday in my community and it is sad. Hope you never have to go through what people in my area live with everyday. Spend some of your time online looking at the Detroit News or the Detroit Freepress or the local Detroit television news broadcasts to get a better idea of what the real deal is.

This is not opinion, but the brutal truth.....

Have a nice day,

Steve Williams

[THE LEGEND]

Well said Steve.
I own 13 GM vehicles and 2 -68 camaro race cars. I'll keep buying GM as long as there is a place to do so.
Chip

[denny harvey]

i have 2 new gm cars and an 05 truck,a 67 camaro and a 76 camaro race car..i too will support gm to the end ,they helped build the good ol u.s.a and i dont see the sky falling..if you keep up with the auto deal you mopar and ford folks know you are next..denny

[goinbroke2]

I'm a Ford guy but I support our own first. GM as well as mopar needs support. It's not uaw's fault or any other one thing but a perfect storm that finally done them in. Mismanagement at the top, poor quality, bad service, think I'm talking about domestic's? How about toyota in the 70's! They found out their rusted out underpowered, uncomfortable tin cans can't compete head to head so they figured out what race to win. The quality one! And with that turn around they started building bigger, more comfortable and powerful cars.

The same will happen with the domestic's. Toyota proved it can't build a full size work truck, hell honda's is a FWD unibody car with a built in box! But the domestic's have been changing and in the last two years ford and chev both have trucks that will get 21mpg. Ford is now on par or better than japanese quality and has the most 5 star safety rated vehicles on the planet! The new fusion hybrid gets 8mpg better than the camry hybrid. There is a lot to be proud of only many years of dealerships denying warranty or pissing customers off has left a bad taste in consumers mouths. Once the nay sayers and anti domestic bashers realize that the quality is up on domestic's and on par with anything else offered, the tide will slowly change.

Times will be tough for GM and mopar. If they fail it could drag ford down too as well as foreign automakers who use the same suppliers.

Times are tough but don't give up on the same companies that built tanks/aicraft/etc for this country in it's time of need!

GO GM!

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by goinbroke2

I'm a Ford guy but I support our own first. GM as well as mopar needs support. It's not uaw's fault or any other one thing but a perfect storm that finally done them in. Mismanagement at the top, poor quality, bad service, think I'm talking about domestic's? How about toyota in the 70's! They found out their rusted out underpowered, uncomfortable tin cans can't compete head to head so they figured out what race to win. The quality one! And with that turn around they started building bigger, more comfortable and powerful cars.

The same will happen with the domestic's. Toyota proved it can't build a full size work truck, hell honda's is a FWD unibody car with a built in box! But the domestic's have been changing and in the last two years ford and chev both have trucks that will get 21mpg. Ford is now on par or better than japanese quality and has the most 5 star safety rated vehicles on the planet! The new fusion hybrid gets 8mpg better than the camry hybrid. There is a lot to be proud of only many years of dealerships denying warranty or pissing customers off has left a bad taste in consumers mouths. Once the nay sayers and anti domestic bashers realize that the quality is up on domestic's and on par with anything else offered, the tide will slowly change.

Times will be tough for GM and mopar. If they fail it could drag ford down too as well as foreign automakers who use the same suppliers.

Times are tough but don't give up on the same companies that built tanks/aicraft/etc for this country in it's time of need!

GO GM!

Steve, I wish I could shake your hand and pop a cold one with you man (plus the people from Janesville, Wi., who built my Z24 Cavalier DF/S race car)...you realize that I'm still running the same drive axles that were put in the car by those great Americans??? That's been 70k street miles, and well over 500 1/4 mile passes with water burnouts dominating the total!!! In my line of work I get to deliver auto parts to service shops, and dealers and most of the time I'm delivering axles to them they're for Japanese Import cars!!

Now Going Broke 2, the reason I'm quoting you, is because some of what you said I was mixed over:

1. You forgot to add oil burning to the list of problems with the Japanese cars of the 70's (heck I last year saw a Lexus...A LEXUS, with blue smoke (oil) coming from its exhaust!!??). I don't really know when they started building great cars, because my former mechanic from San Antonio (now), had a neighbor who had a Honda (his daughters car), and they couldn't even repair the fuel system that messed up on her car.

2. Toyota made me laugh my butt off when (in the mid-80's) they tried to get a Turbo-charged 4cyl engine to be the equal to the big three's V6 engines in their compact trucks...R.O.L.O.L., it lasted all of one year because in their 4wd
trucks they realized that when you're off-roading you have no time for turbo boost to kick in..you either have the "RIGHT NOW" hp, or you don't and they didn't!!!...as the saying went--"there's no replacement for displacement"!

3. You mentioned quality...with Japanese cars of old? I won't forget that I crossed the path of a lady who had a Honda Civic that she bought brand new in 1983, and she was at a pay phone calling for help while her car was spewing coolant from the radiator (due to over-heating)? The funny thing for me with that was my then wife and I just bought an '82 Chevy Cavalier, that had 33k on the odometer, and my car was working fine (granted that because it was a rental, and we know full well how rental cars are treated), after it rec'd a new head gasket at 33k....this car survived nearly 2yrs of public abuse before it needed that gasket, as opposed to her car being less than 6mths old???

4. As for Chrysler, as long as the engines in them weren't built by Mitsubishi (like the 3.0L V6, which was in the Minivans, and some of the fwd cars), I liked their offerings, and they were of great quality...I loved the 3.3 Chrysler V6 that was in the 1990 Voyager minivan I rented to take my family (with great ease I might add), from Denver to San Diego, and back...I wish we could've kept that van. If Chrysler would've stayed away from putting Mitsubishi engines in some of their cars & vans, they would've been a lot better off.

I hope the "nay sayers", and "domestic bashers"...as you stated (i.e. Consumer Reports, and Car and Driver, plus other publications of their ilk), get ignored by smart American shoppers that realize the truth (just as my eyes/ears, and nose has for years), that the big three has always been (at least) the equal of even the best of the imports...I will say this especially for the General, because I've owned numerous Chevy's, a Cadillac, and a Pontiac, and I was raised on GM products...it was also funny when my sister once had to take a Nissan Pulsar back to the dealer the next day after she bought it, to fix a problem with her brand new car!!?? My (then) brand new '76 Chevy Vega (IV77B6U220942), my '04 Chevy Cavalier, and my current '04 Chevy Colorado (both also bought new), didn't need such visits...I wonder why......

[Ed Fernandez]

Since the Jap cars are becoming the topic all I'd like to say is if the Jap cars are so bad then why,when I drove a flatbed for the last 4 years pretty stady and now and then since the 80s have I picked up so little of them for mechanical and electrical reasons.Mostly it's for accidents.I'm not a big fan of them but they do build a good car for the money and alot of them are built HERE in the USA.
Anyone else in towing on here seen the same results as me?
Ed F.

[junior barns]

Goinbroke2 said

There is a lot to be proud of only many years of dealerships denying warranty or pissing customers off has left a bad taste in consumers mouths

Not to get off subject and not even looking for a response but (dealerships) pissing off customers! I would have to agree as there are a lot of bad dealers out there for ALL makes. Second


Dealers do not deny warranty claims! Warrany claims are probably the most profitable claims for a service dept but if the manufacturer will not refund the Dealer for a claim why should the Dealer eat the expense

Dealers only sale and repair product! They do not build them!!

Dealers are not the problem here

Just my 2 cents worth