GM axes performance division

[larrylomascolo]

the north america free trade agreement,NAFTA, started all this bull, it opened the door wide open for foriegn imports into this country and our exports to thier country was not near the the same numbers,we got it right up the wazoo,my town of 33,000 just closed a G.M. dealership that has been here for 60 years,sucks

[Lou SG2340]

It used to be said that how GM goes, so goes the country. I guess todays mess shows that to be true.

[al wisniewski]

Kudos to you Steve for your comment.I think the thing we are missing is this situation is a world wide thing.And it is not getting any better.Not that I was very fond of the big three workers that took advantage of the system,there were some who did work.And those guys were some of my customers.Unfortunately with their cutbacks,so goes their drag racing habit too.And we did some contract work too, that has been axed.It's a big snowball effect and that thing is still rolling downhill.The problems started at the top,even further up than the top mgmt. positions in the big three. Maybe we should go hunting for the guys that screwed all us investors and taxpayers out of billions of dollars who seem to be free roaming the countryside.It's gotta end sometime or those Mel Gibson movies won't seem so far fetched after all?

[Michael Beard]

That plan calls for as much as $30 billion from taxpayers by 2011;

WhatwhatWHAT? I stopped buying GM products for a REASON. I don't expect to keep giving them money against my will. Only ever owned one GM myself, a '97 Chevy dually 454, which I hated. My wife used to have an '05 Cobalt, which she had nothing but problems with. Folks who have had good luck with GM products and wish to support them - that's great -- but don't force me to subsidize a company that *I* don't want to buy products from anymore. (Then again, I don't want to subsidize Chrysler with *more* of my money either, because I've already *bought* their products and shouldn't have to pay more!)

Happy owner of an '04 Ram 1500 4.7L and an '08 Charger 3.5L.

[KEN BUGAJ]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

WhatwhatWHAT? I stopped buying GM products for a REASON. I don't expect to keep giving them money against my will. Only ever owned one GM myself, a '97 Chevy dually 454, which I hated. My wife used to have an '05 Cobalt, which she had nothing but problems with. Folks who have had good luck with GM products and wish to support them - that's great -- but don't force me to subsidize a company that *I* don't want to buy products from anymore. (Then again, I don't want to subsidize Chrysler with *more* of my money either, because I've already *bought* their products and shouldn't have to pay more!)

Happy owner of an '04 Ram 1500 4.7L and an '08 Charger 3.5L.

Michael your dead on, I'm a GM guy and have been for year's.
The UAW has been a joke for year's.
When things were good they held a gun to Corp. GM and GM had to buy into it.
Now things are bad and will the UAW work with GM? NO !
Why, Because they know the Democrat's will bail GM out again. with our $$$$
They need to file and get it over with, They can make it through this, but their cost's need to get in line with
the other auto maker's.
We need to turn the $$$$ off.

[buzzinhalfdozen]

Geez, Everyone just calm down we've now entered a new era of "change" as promised by the newly elected President. The plan here is to fix all that ails the U.S. with large amounts of $. Now everyone knows this fixes everything, you take money you don't have and give it to people that have proven they don't know how to keep their companies solvent, then you give LOT'S of money to banks and investment companies that are so good at their jobs that they've bankrupted themselves, and by the way aren't there alot of folks who bought too much home,cars,toys ect. that desperatly need our help so they don't get forclosed on? I was taught as a young man that you carry your own weight, you don't ask for anything and you live with the choices you make in your life...Good or Bad. Last week I heard Glen Beck on The Oriley factor make a statement that rang true basically you can only load so much on your citizens before you have civil discontent and Revolution. Now these are some pretty strong words however seems to me I recall way back in history class there was something similar that happened about 1776 for close to the same reasons. I for one find it unacceptable that my tax dollars are being used to prop up a bunch of Failures, that is the very essence of capitalism you can do many things with alot of possiblities, the rewards if you suceed are yours and the problems are yours if you fail. Sorry for the rant just gets my blood up each time I hear of these Govt. freebies. Joe

[Steve Williams]

Mr. Bugaj,

The UAW is working with the Big Three especially GM. I do agree with your post though. This is a tough spot. Don't turn your backs on fellow Americans in this critical financial mess. We can and will get through this mess together. Good times will return and this era will go down in history as a reminder of what not to do for our future generations.

Respectfully Submittted,

Steve Williams

[Terry Cain]

Originally Posted by larrylomascolo

the north america free trade agreement,NAFTA, started all this bull, it opened the door wide open for foriegn imports into this country and our exports to thier country was not near the the same numbers,we got it right up the wazoo,my town of 33,000 just closed a G.M. dealership that has been here for 60 years,sucks

So, So right. Let's see. The companies go over seas to produce, get away from payroll taxes and regulations, cheap labor, (sometimes sweat shop labor) give exec's bonuses for doing it, that no one in their biggest dream is worth and then they have the balls to ask for tax payer help. Don't get me wrong. I'm a strong supporter of union labor. Been a union member for over 40 yrs. The union didn't decide to "out source" jobs.
I've said for years that the politicians will one day wake up and realize they don't get tax money when the jobs go over seas. DUH!
I don't have the answer but it's getting scary.

[junior barns]

It's all ready scary!!

[Bart Kilraine]

Products aren't sold unless they are bought! Who buys the foriegn stuff...? Go look in the mirror.