GM axes performance division

[Shawn Blair]

Originally Posted by Bart Kilraine

Products aren't sold unless they are bought! Who buys the foriegn stuff...? Go look in the mirror.

That's exactly right Bart, people like to bitch and yet they most likely have a import in there immediate family. If you don't buy from the big three how will they survive. I know there is alot of BS that goes on in these companies, and i'm sure there is at the import companies as well,but the bottom line is if you don't buy the import throw away cars and buy american they might make it! Just my opinion. Proud owner of 2001 Dodge Ram Cummins, 2009 Challenger R/T 6-speed, & 1968 Dodge Dart

[partsbob67]

if we intend to help this country it's time to start bringing all the work back inside our borders. this outsourcing of every thing is killing us. it's time to realize that all of us can't or won't be able to live in the big house on the hill. a little of some pay is better than no pay at all.

[Michael Lyons]

I'm surprised that GM would stop making Cobalt and HHR SS's. Seems like there would still be a market for these with the turbocharged Ecotec LNF engine. Seems like you could still get 30+ mpg on the freeway if you drove like a sane person and still have 260+ HP on tap for when the opportunity to have a little fun allowed. Like they said, they still need to build interesting vehicles!!???

Funny, the guy who was so down on GM, his car number is 666? Spawn of the devil maybe? :P LOL

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Shawn Blair

That's exactly right Bart, people like to bitch and yet they most likely have a import in there immediate family. If you don't buy from the big three how will they survive. I know there is alot of BS that goes on in these companies, and i'm sure there is at the import companies as well,but the bottom line is if you don't buy the import throw away cars and buy american they might make it! Just my opinion. Proud owner of 2001 Dodge Ram Cummins, 2009 Challenger R/T 6-speed, & 1968 Dodge Dart

Shawn, I agree with you 100%! I'm the proud owner of a 2004 Chevy Colorado (tow vehicle), and a 1986 Chevy Cavalier Z24 (DF/S racer for the last 16yrs, and the last 12 with my Stock Eliminator rebuild!!!).

The race cars that got me well known in Colorado, and now Arizona include:

1976 Chevy Vega: 1977 King of the Hill HS Champion
5 bracket race victories from 6 final rounds at a former east Denver AHRA track
1979 Div. V Street Eliminator Semifinal

1973 Pontiac Ventura: 1981 Div. V Street Eliminator Champion
2nd place points finish at Bandimere Speedway 1981 (Street Eliminator)
1982 ET Finals Jackpot Winner
6th place points finish at Bandimere Speedway 1982 (Street Eliminator)

1985 Chevy Celebrity: 1990 High School Reunion Champion (at Bandimere Speedway)

1986 Chevy Cavalier Z24: 1998 & 1999 3rd rnd at Mopar Mile High Nationals
2002 King of the Track Winner, Pueblo Motorsports Park
2006 Quarter finals at Mopar Mile High Nationals
2007 LODRS quarter-finals at Div. VII race #2 Tucson, Az.
2007 Semi-finals @ Stock/Super Stock race @ Speedworld
2008 1/8 finals (4rnds) @ LODRS div VII race #1

Now hows that for American cars belittled by the car mags that paid grandly for me!!!

[Ron Ortiz]

The big three have not built a single car in over 20 years that has been totally 100% American.
Components from all over the world are used in their construction. I believe there is only one manufacturer in the world that builds their car totally within their country. Who is it?
Everything around us has been out sourced in some way. Take a look at all the things around you, the coffe maker, the refridgerator, stove, light switches, wiring, glass, etc, where was it built or imported from? Overseas. We live in a global economy and have been living it for a long time. The old saying "it's just business" is ever so true. Companies are always looking to save money and line their pockets, they do not care where they do it, it is just business. (greed) The big three are no different. The ones who suffer are the ones who are employed by these business people. Did you not know something was wrong when GM offered employee discounts on vehicles to the general public, what a slap in the face for the GM worker.
The USA is the strongest country on this planet. When it has financial difficulties, so does the rest of the world. Why, because we are the largest user of the rest of the worlds products.
I have owned Fords, Chrysler, and GM products. They each have their advantages as well as disadvantages. Out of all of them a Dodge Dart with a 318 was the best long lasting car. That is until I got my wife a brand new Hyundai. $9,000 and a ten year 100,000 mile warranty. Hey BIG 3 where are your warranties and pricing at. Hyundai has their own steel mills, shipping ports, and ships. Shouldn't someone take note of this alignment in production and delivery. It is not the country where things are made, it is the people who run the company that is the problem.
Now what really blows me away is how a company like Chrysler can get bailed out repeatedly. Does'nt anybody see what the hell is going on. I bet every small business in the country would like to recieve some of this money if things were a little tough. And here is our wonderful government giving bailout money to companies who are doing more damage than good with the funding.
It seems that the higher you go up in a company or government the more corrupt it is. There is your answer. Time to clean up the Senate and Congress.
And for all you out there that refuse to buy anything other than American, it is time to start removing alot of things in your house as they were made elsewhere. I love my country, and have fought for it, but I do not trust the government or any other countries government.

Ron Ortiz

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by larrylomascolo

the north america free trade agreement,NAFTA, started all this bull, it opened the door wide open for foriegn imports into this country and our exports to thier country was not near the the same numbers,we got it right up the wazoo,my town of 33,000 just closed a G.M. dealership that has been here for 60 years,sucks

Yeah, and they talk about free trade, when a Japanese envoy from Washington even wrote an article that was in the Denver "Rocky Mountain News" (plus other national papers I'm sure), talking about the bureacracy of trade within Japan...which cause American/European vehicles sold in Japan to be hit with enough penalties to be double (or more) the cost of a comparable Japanese home-grown vehicle...what happened to our tariffs???

[Steve Williams]

Michael Beard-Thanks for your reply and I see that we do have some common ground, NO ONE has been complaining about the banking business as far as I've seen here.


Sean, I got just a few choice words for you-You my friend are what my Grandmother from the Old Country used to say and it might lose some in translation-Arre thiiesnn tu bient!

You are an incompetent fool who sucks on donkey ***! Hate to say it but you don't represent DIV 6 well in any respect. Shut your piehole Sir as you are digging yourself a hole that cannot be dug out of. You have no idea what this is all about. Go play with your mini van OK. A competitive product? You my friend are an uninformed bunghole.
Look at sales figures for North American Vehicles. I rest my case.

Have a nice day

Steve Williams

[Michael Lyons]

not only that but I think he's thinkin of the other Steve Williams, races the K&N super comp car on the west coast...

[S.E. Buchanan]

Guys:

Being the old timer that I unfortunately am now, I believe the main problem with
the auto companies is too many Americans buying foreign brands.

Now before anybody starts making excuses let me say a big part of that is the
American Manufactures drug their collective feet too many years on quality.
However the past several years they have made dramatic improvements.

Yes, there are other problems also but I said the main problem.

[Terry Cain]

I've been following this thread for a couple days now. All this bail out money makes me sick and then I look at what my 401K has done. WOW, I get very sick and want to drink a beer to calm down.
WELL, Here's the icing on the cake.
Kentucky just passed a 6% sales tax on liquor that will go into affect April 1, 2009. A 30 pack was $18.50 before the announcement of the tax. Since it has passed but before enactment beer has gone to $23.00 (in the last week).
Looks like the beer companies are learning tricks from the gas companies.